Ben_Copeland
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| posted on 1/9/10 at 07:35 AM |
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Advice on Buying a KIA Sedona
My wife wants to get a KIA Sedona or Chrysler voyager. The Chrysler is out if budget (5k). So I've given in and said ok to the KIA. Does anyone
have any pointers on what to look for when buying one. Specific to the KIA. Looking at cars 2002 and newer. Diesel.
I'd happily buy a ford but apparently it's not got the seats in the right order 
Thanks
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britishtrident
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| posted on 1/9/10 at 07:53 AM |
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Good cars.
Automatic is a Jatco box the early models of these were troublesome ---- later ones are better but need fluid changes best done by autotransmission
specialistas there is a specific procedure which must be followed.
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Ben_Copeland
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| posted on 1/9/10 at 08:06 AM |
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Best to go manual then I guess. As long as the clutch is ok.
Looking at 60k mileage.
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nick205
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| posted on 1/9/10 at 08:24 AM |
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I was in your position earlier this year and looked at...
Alhambra/Galaxy/Sharan
807/C8
Sedona
Caravelle
Voyager
SWMBO liked the 807 for the sliding doors and (like yours) the Sedona for the seat layout.
IMHO, after driving at least one of each several times the Alhambra/Galaxy/Sharan was by a mile the best to drive. By my reckoning it also comes out
best on overall cost of ownership, looks, interior quality and versatility. There's a huge choice and prices are good too.
We went for a 2001 Alhambra TDI SE and would make the same choice again evry time. again IMHO, there's a reason why there's so many of
them about and why Seat still sell it new.
As with any MPV, the interior wear and tear is something to pay attention to, most have been used very hard as family transport
(food/drink/mud/dogs...etc)
Cheers
Nick
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Edited to correct my own confusion on the 806/7 and C8 models!
[Edited on 1/9/10 by nick205]
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Strontium Dog
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| posted on 1/9/10 at 08:47 AM |
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Having had some experience of other peoples Kia's i'd say run away! Dont touch it with someone else's barge pole. Badly built tacky
quality and totally unreliable. The last person I advised not to get one bought it anyway. Within two months it had cost them far more than if they
had bought a decent car in the first place!  Cheap and nasty crap is all very well while under guarantee but once it's run out you're
doomed.
People carriers are not my thing but surely there must be some Jap (read as reliable) versions available for cheap prices or something like the Seat
as mentioned above
IIMHO of course
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whitestu
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| posted on 1/9/10 at 09:09 AM |
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I have to disagree with Nick205 - I test drove them and the Galaxy / Sharan / leon drove worst than most - very van like.
We went with a C8 in the end, which is a much nicer car to drive than the Galaxy / Sharan / leon, and the electric sliding doors are brilliant.
We've had it 3 years and it hasn't missed a beat so far, though you do hear some horror stories of premature cam belt failure and stuck
injectors.
If I was buying again I'd get a well looked after older Synergie / 806 / Ulysse as they are much simpler if anything goes wrong.
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nick205
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| posted on 1/9/10 at 09:27 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by whitestu
I have to disagree with Nick205 - I test drove them and the Galaxy / Sharan / leon drove worst than most - very van like.
We went with a C8 in the end, which is a much nicer car to drive than the Galaxy / Sharan / leon, and the electric sliding doors are brilliant.
We've had it 3 years and it hasn't missed a beat so far, though you do hear some horror stories of premature cam belt failure and stuck
injectors.
If I was buying again I'd get a well looked after older Synergie / 806 / Ulysse as they are much simpler if anything goes wrong.
Can't comment on the C8 specifically as I haven't driven one.
The issues I had with the 807 were primarily down to interior style, quality (velour seats like knackered old sofas) and a generally spongey feel to
the pedals/controls.
The PSA diesels are good, but the gearbox/gearchange falls way way short of the VAG 6 speed manual - one of the best IMO.
ETA...I'm confusing myself now on the 806/7 models!
[Edited on 1/9/10 by nick205]
[Edited on 1/9/10 by nick205]
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contaminated
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| posted on 1/9/10 at 09:34 AM |
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I've not driven the Kia, but I know a couple of people who have them and like them. One is known locally as the Chuckle Bus!
I've driven the Seat and I thought it was superb.
I have a Zafira with a VX220 lump in it. If you must have a people carrier it might as well be a laugh!
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nick205
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| posted on 1/9/10 at 09:37 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by contaminated
I've not driven the Kia, but I know a couple of people who have them and like them. One is known locally as the Chuckle Bus!
I've driven the Seat and I thought it was superb.
I have a Zafira with a VX220 lump in it. If you must have a people carrier it might as well be a laugh!
I got trounced trying to overtake one of those in my old Leon Cupra TDI 
Round the corner onto a short stretch of dual carriageway, saw an MPV and thought I'm not rattling along behind that for the next 10 miles and
went to hoof it past before the end of the dual carriageway - big mistake! Driver floored it and left me eating dust and admiring his VXR boot badge
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alistairolsen
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| posted on 1/9/10 at 09:51 AM |
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I wouldnt warrant buying either. The Chrysler is RIDICULOUSLY heavy on fuel and despite being loded with toys still manages to feel cheap and tacky
like almost any American experience. I spent 12 hours with one as park of a three peaks challenge and it was comfortable enough but I couldnt live
with one.
The Kia is frankly the single most awful piece of crap Ive ever seen (and Ive owned a 1.2 corsa...) rattled, didnt handle, everything felt cheap and
fragile. Noisy and unrefined, jerky autobox... All this before we get to actually owning a Kia in general
Personally Id happily take a slightly older vehicle to get something thats actually pleasant to own.
What on earth leads her to shortlist those two?
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Ben_Copeland
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| posted on 1/9/10 at 10:00 AM |
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It's the seat configuration that guiding her. She wants 223 and most are 232 which makes it really ackward to get to the rear most seats.
Dan, she has a zafira now but it's too small for childminding.
She doesn't do many miles so fuel isn't reLly too much of a concern
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nick205
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| posted on 1/9/10 at 10:15 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Ben_Copeland
It's the seat configuration that guiding her. She wants 223 and most are 232 which makes it really ackward to get to the rear most seats.
Dan, she has a zafira now but it's too small for childminding.
She doesn't do many miles so fuel isn't reLly too much of a concern
IMHO the 223 seat layout doesn't make it any easier to access the rear seats. Unless you need all 5 rear seats, the easiest thing to do is
remove the centre seat so kids can get in the side doors and walk through to the rear 2 seats. You'll need to open the boot to sort out their
seat belts etc unless you want to clamber through with them.
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alistairolsen
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| posted on 1/9/10 at 11:05 AM |
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just means the rear seats end up poo and narrow IMO
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Ben_Copeland
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| posted on 1/9/10 at 11:25 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by alistairolsen
just means the rear seats end up poo and narrow IMO
Sit in the back of a zafira then you'll see what narrow is lol
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alistairolsen
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| posted on 1/9/10 at 11:54 AM |
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Zafira doesnt count as a proper people carrier IMO, its based on a midsize hatchback platform!
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speedyxjs
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| posted on 1/9/10 at 12:12 PM |
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Dont old volvos have the rear seats in the boot? That would solve most of the problems listed above including the access (throught boot)
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
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nick205
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| posted on 1/9/10 at 12:30 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by speedyxjs
Dont old volvos have the rear seats in the boot? That would solve most of the problems listed above including the access (throught boot)
TBH, once you've had the height of an MPV for getting kids in/out you would be loathe to go back to even a decent sized estate car
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alistairolsen
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| posted on 1/9/10 at 01:22 PM |
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and in many cases the rear seats face backwards and if childminding demands any of the same things as a local authority school run that wont be
acceptable
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marcjagman
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| posted on 1/9/10 at 02:42 PM |
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DON'T BUY A SEDONA. Timing belt kit costs around £400 if you can fit it yourself. MPG is crap even on the diesel. Parts are through the roof on
some items, depreciation, servicing in general is expensive unless you do it yourself, auto's are garbage. We had one on motability, never
again.
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MikeR
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| posted on 1/9/10 at 02:49 PM |
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Why isn't anyone considering an S-MAX?
(i'm very tempted with one when i replace my current car. Based on the Mondy chassis its supposed to handle very well. Decent tdci engine and i
think it looks ok.)
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Ben_Copeland
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| posted on 1/9/10 at 05:52 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MikeR
Why isn't anyone considering an S-MAX?
(i'm very tempted with one when i replace my current car. Based on the Mondy chassis its supposed to handle very well. Decent tdci engine and i
think it looks ok.)
Costs too much
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Ben_Copeland
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| posted on 1/9/10 at 05:55 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by alistairolsen
and in many cases the rear seats face backwards and if childminding demands any of the same things as a local authority school run that wont be
acceptable
Most proper MPVs have 7 forward facing seats....
Its only the estates that they decided to throw 2 seats in the boot and charge extra for.
But your right, local authority doesnt allow backward facing seats
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Ben_Copeland
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| posted on 1/9/10 at 05:57 PM |
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I've told her shes not having a kia for many reasons. So its back to ford/vw/seat. No french crap ta
Thanks everyone for your points of view
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britishtrident
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| posted on 1/9/10 at 06:05 PM |
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Ford/Seat/VW = Money pit.
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eddie99
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| posted on 1/9/10 at 06:11 PM |
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Im with someone earlier in the post, get something older and better  i've only had experience of a Kia Picanto and that was terrible, i felt
its a car put together as cheaply as possible.
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