pajsh
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| posted on 10/9/10 at 12:56 PM |
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Massa's mate - Alonso
Quote from the report on the Ferrari team orders hearing.
"The report also revealed that a few laps before the radio communication where Rob Smedley informed Massa that Alonso was faster than him, both
drivers had been ordered to turn their engines down – before the Spaniard was allowed to turn his up again.
"Alonso increased his engine speed without Mr Felipe Massa's being informed," revealed the FIA document. "Mr Fernando Alonso
was therefore benefiting from a definite performance advantage over Mr Felipe Massa in the moments preceding the contentious overtaking."
So that's why he was faster!!
Nice to know you can trust your team mate. Devious spanish bar steward.
I used to be apathetic but now I just don't care.
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mrwibble
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| posted on 10/9/10 at 12:59 PM |
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don't get me started on this. team orders ruin a spectator sport.
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Alfa145
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| posted on 10/9/10 at 01:03 PM |
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Its not a sport its a business, sod the spectator.
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scootz
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| posted on 10/9/10 at 01:08 PM |
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F1 is not a sport, nor a competition.
It is just a spectacle... nothing more!
The inconsistencies of rule interpretation and the subsequent punishments is just a (very bad) joke!
It's Evolution Baby!
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Vindi_andy
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| posted on 10/9/10 at 01:19 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by pajsh
Quote from the report on the Ferrari team orders hearing.
"The report also revealed that a few laps before the radio communication where Rob Smedley informed Massa that Alonso was faster than him, both
drivers had been ordered to turn their engines down – before the Spaniard was allowed to turn his up again.
"Alonso increased his engine speed without Mr Felipe Massa's being informed," revealed the FIA document. "Mr Fernando Alonso
was therefore benefiting from a definite performance advantage over Mr Felipe Massa in the moments preceding the contentious overtaking."
So that's why he was faster!!
Nice to know you can trust your team mate. Devious spanish bar steward.
Forget trusting your team mate what about your TEAM as they are ultimately the ones that made the decision to ALLOW alonso to turn his engine back up
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mrwibble
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| posted on 10/9/10 at 01:32 PM |
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turning this or that up. sod off. get a car, add a driver, have a race. no computers, no predictions for pit stops or yellow flags, the man the car
his skill. grrrrrrrrr
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myke pocock
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| posted on 10/9/10 at 01:52 PM |
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mrwibble, you need to go back to grass roots type motorsport to get away from blatant manipulation of the rules and even there the playing field can
have a slight tilt at times. Have a look at some of the things that go on in karting for a start. Me synical? Whatever gave you that idea?
I will stick to my classic trialling, PCA's and PCT's.
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 10/9/10 at 02:00 PM |
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I watched some Caterham championship racing on the TV a while back - exciting to watch, very clean driving, and very entertaining.
I'd watch that instead of F1 any day
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expatkiwi
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| posted on 10/9/10 at 02:45 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by myke pocock
mrwibble, you need to go back to grass roots type motorsport to get away from blatant manipulation of the rules and even there the playing field can
have a slight tilt at times. Have a look at some of the things that go on in karting for a start. Me synical? Whatever gave you that idea?
I will stick to my classic trialling, PCA's and PCT's.
This is why I do grassroots(sprints and rallies) The competitiveness is still there but everyone generally has a good day
I have decided to call my Westfeild "The Caterhammer" Hopefully it will
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iank
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| posted on 10/9/10 at 02:47 PM |
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I will never happen (due to economics) but a lot of that kind of nonsense would be solved by only letting them have one car+driver.
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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mrwibble
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| posted on 10/9/10 at 03:12 PM |
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all of those who comment its a business not a sport, and its a spectacle not a spectator sport i know your right. And indeed i would be very
interested in watching, caterham, 7s, 750mc whatever if i had it on tele or in person, or even touring cars.
but F1 is still the pinacle of motorsport, the fastest cars, the most skilled drivers (i know someone will disagree here) the very peak of what is
possible in a racing car. and it is just such a shame, that it has been tainted, and twisted and in no small part Bernies fault, by massive business
advertising interests from what was once a glorious sport undertaken by none but the bravest. admittedly modern engineering has played its part in
making (some) races very boring indeed, but when Hamilton pulls out an overtake on alonso or whoever, i still stand up and shout at the tele...
I just wish they'd give me more of those moments, and alonso attacking massa could of been one of those.
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designer
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| posted on 10/9/10 at 03:25 PM |
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F1 is a travelling circus, nothing more nothing less.
It's rubbish!!
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designer
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| posted on 10/9/10 at 03:28 PM |
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"F1 is still the pinacle of motorsport, the fastest cars, the most skilled drivers (i know someone will disagree here) the very peak of what is
possible in a racing car"
I went to see an indy car race last year. All cars equal so 33 changes of lead, and excitment from start to finish.
Don't forget. the world's greatest driver has never driven a reacing car.
Why? Because his family could not afford to get him into one!!
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scootz
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| posted on 10/9/10 at 03:40 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mrwibble
But F1 is still the pinacle of motorsport, the fastest cars...
Fastest round an F1 track! Even then, I'm sure they could go faster still if they would allow a free-reign to the engineers. I would love a
return to the days where we saw 6 wheeled cars and cars with big fans and turbos on them!
Just give them a set of car dimensions that they must work within and then let all the budding Chapmans loose... 
It's Evolution Baby!
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mrwibble
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| posted on 10/9/10 at 03:57 PM |
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still 180mph average speed around spa? u want much faster?
turbo v12 1000bhp killers...?
[Edited on 10/9/10 by mrwibble]
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carpmart
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| posted on 10/9/10 at 09:38 PM |
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Picking up on Scootz thread, I would like to see them give a fixed amount of fuel and then relax lots of other rules! So turbo's are back in as
are energy recovery systems etc.
This would lead to innovation which would benefit everyone as it filters into road cars as the efficiency vs performance conundrum will be addressed
by some VERY clever people in the F1 paddock!
You only live once - make the most of it!
Radical Clubsport, Kwaker motor
'94 MX5 MK1, 1.8
F10 M5 - 600bhp Daily Hack 
Range Rover Sport - Wife's Car
Mercedes A class - Son's Car
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designer
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| posted on 11/9/10 at 07:17 AM |
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I saw Rosberg rocketing around Silverstone in his turbo Williams, years ago. THAT was driving.
I agree. Give them a fixed amount of fuel, no wings, just like Mike Cosworth put forward years ago.
For F1 to be a true race, the cars should fall apart just as they pass the finish line. What would you think if Usain Bolt passed the tape and was not
panting?
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