sonic
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| posted on 22/3/11 at 07:58 PM |
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Speeding have i been done !!
On the way out this morning at 8 am i was traveling through a village with a car 4 lengths in front and 3 cars behind me.
A woman copper on here own was stood on a street corner were you couldn't see her until the last moment due to the sun and was pointing a hand
held speed gun at us, I looked at the speedo and i was doing 36 mph.
She didn't pull anybody over so i carried on to the petrol station and then thought i wonder what the speed limit is at that point so i went
back for a look, It was 30 mph but when i approached were she was stood she had pulled a lad over in a Clio and was writing him a ticket with the
passenger side door open.
So my question is did she have to pull me over to book me ?
Thanks
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MakeEverything
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| posted on 22/3/11 at 08:03 PM |
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Its likely that you would need to be pulled over for a booking.
Kindest Regards,
Richard.
...You can make it foolProof, but youll never make it Idiot Proof!...
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jacko
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| posted on 22/3/11 at 08:17 PM |
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Tut Tut Mick
The police are often out side where i work and they always pull people/ cars in to ticket them
if this helps
Graham
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T66
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| posted on 22/3/11 at 08:18 PM |
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Not an expert - However my guess is you went past her, and at 36mph +/- what your speedo showed you, and what her hand held showed her....
Your still short of getting prosecuted, advice maybe....
My bet is the Clio driver was hitting 40mph.
What you experienced today was a Cop doing their job, and also using their discretion, dont knock it.
The 30 & 40 mph limits are the MOST IMPORTANT ones to adhere too - Apparently
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sonic
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| posted on 22/3/11 at 08:48 PM |
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I am not knocking them, to be honest the place where it was is a bit of a money spinner it used to be 40 mph 2 months ago and very few signs stating
the change.
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T66
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| posted on 22/3/11 at 08:54 PM |
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Fair point - The fact its a cop and not one of those money spinner vans, suggests to me its a local cop just reminding the locals of the speed limit
change.
Otherwise nobody would take any notice.
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JoelP
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| posted on 22/3/11 at 09:04 PM |
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as t66 says, 36 minus your speedo error probably wouldnt pass the prosecution threshold, and isnt really worthwhile if the copper was waiting for
someone doing a greater speed.
Ive heard you dont tend to get prosecuted til about 35mph on the gun.
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sonic
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| posted on 22/3/11 at 09:09 PM |
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Thanks for the replies guy's
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adithorp
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| posted on 22/3/11 at 09:11 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by sonic
I am not knocking them, to be honest the place where it was is a bit of a money spinner it used to be 40 mph 2 months ago and very few signs stating
the change.
To be fair there'll be 2 fecking big round reflective signs with 30 in big letters where it becomes 30...  But thats it, no repeater signs in
a 30 zone. I'd forgotten (or never knew) that last bit untill I did a course a few weeks ago. So if you can't see a repeater sign and
there's street lights, it's a 30. No street lights and it's NSL and everything else will be signed.
"A witty saying proves nothing" Voltaire
http://jpsc.org.uk/forum/
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A1
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| posted on 22/3/11 at 09:19 PM |
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see up here there has to be two of them present to book you
not that that helps... but my fingers are crossed for you
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PSpirine
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| posted on 22/3/11 at 09:23 PM |
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Unless you pass a proper money-maker camera (there are a few), 36mph indicated is unlikely to get you fined, be it a camera or especially a proper
copper.
Either way, they can't book you if they didn't stop you
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SteveWalker
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| posted on 22/3/11 at 09:42 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by adithorp
quote:
Originally posted by sonic
I am not knocking them, to be honest the place where it was is a bit of a money spinner it used to be 40 mph 2 months ago and very few signs stating
the change.
To be fair there'll be 2 fecking big round reflective signs with 30 in big letters where it becomes 30... But thats it, no repeater signs in
a 30 zone. I'd forgotten (or never knew) that last bit untill I did a course a few weeks ago. So if you can't see a repeater sign and
there's street lights, it's a 30. No street lights and it's NSL and everything else will be signed.
I think that the streetlights part is not quite correct (unless the law has changed) - streetlights only mean a 30 limit if there is no other posted
limit and the streetlights are less than 200 yds apart.
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jollygreengiant
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| posted on 22/3/11 at 09:58 PM |
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It could have been a plastic copper (PCSO) and you might find that in short while you will receive a letter warning you that you were speeding and
that they know who you are and any further instances might lead to a prosecution. They quite often send out trainees and PCSO's to do speed gun
work in our area as training on how to do it and where the best ambush spots are. Plus the data give them a cheap way of finding out if it's
worth sending out the proper kit (will the rewards be justified in more rural locations).
HTH
Beware of the Goldfish in the tulip mines. The ONLY defence against them is smoking peanut butter sandwiches.
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wilkingj
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| posted on 22/3/11 at 10:06 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by PSpirine
Unless you pass a proper money-maker camera (there are a few), 36mph indicated is unlikely to get you fined, be it a camera or especially a proper
copper.
Either way, they can't book you if they didn't stop you
I thought they had 14 days (and more in exceptional circumstances like its not your car you were driving) in which to send you a NIP (Notice of
intended prosecution).
I know thats the case for a Fixed Camera ie Gatso etc. Not sure if it applies to the cameras held by a person.
Just my 2d's worth.
[Edited on 22/3/2011 by wilkingj]
1. The point of a journey is not to arrive.
2. Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
Best Regards
Geoff
http://www.v8viento.co.uk
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sonic
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| posted on 22/3/11 at 10:21 PM |
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Don't think it was a pcso
The police car was parked down a side street and it was a Silver 5 series BMW touring all marked up etc.
suprised as it was a woman copper on here own.
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 22/3/11 at 11:18 PM |
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quote:
So if you can't see a repeater sign and there's street lights, it's a 30. No street lights and it's NSL and everything
else will be signed.
If it's signed properly, seen loads that are not. The problem with writing laws that specify how road signs WILL be is that when they're
not it's really confusing and basically opens a nice door to non-prosecution.
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snapper
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| posted on 23/3/11 at 04:20 AM |
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If you did not get pulled over you are ok, simple as that.
Yes you were probably under the prosecution threshold, lucky you.
Hand held speed cameras don't record speed once they have been reset, therefore only the Police word against yours, however the courts will
believe the police if push came to shove, I.e. You did not stop when asked to.
If the speed limit has dropped from 40 to 30 then it is likely that the local cop will be seeing if it is being complied with or wether further action
or resources are needed.
Other places and times to watch for are military establishments and garrison towns at in and out muster, MOD police will be vigilant at these times.
I eat to survive
I drink to forget
I breath to pi55 my ex wife off (and now my ex partner)
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D Beddows
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| posted on 23/3/11 at 08:53 AM |
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quote:
Unless you pass a proper money-maker camera (there are a few), 36mph indicated is unlikely to get you fined, be it a camera or especially a proper
copper. Either way, they can't book you if they didn't stop you
Not true unfortunately and spent an afternoon I'll never get back on a 'speed awareness course' to prove it - I got caught by a man
in a car/van with a speed gun while I was doing 36 in a 30, didn't get stopped but a ticket dropped through the letter box a few days later.
There were also people on the course who'd been caught in similar circumstances doing 34 in a 30 so...................
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DanG
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| posted on 23/3/11 at 09:54 AM |
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I too was caught by the use of a speed gun and despite not being stopped I received a Notice of Intended Prosecution.
No offer of accept points went straight to magistrates court - same result though - 3 points £45 fine.
I think the 10% plus 3mph threshold is a general guidline for the police and not set in stone.
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