scootz
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| posted on 6/7/15 at 04:25 PM |
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Anyone Built with an 1.0 Ecoboost Engine Yet?
Been a lot of talk about using these 3-pot engines in project vehicles over the years, but I've yet to hear of a successful home-brew
installation.
Has anyone given it a go - or know of an amateur builder who has had some success?
Can the OEM ECU be used (without the builder requiring a degree in electronic engineering!)?
Have any of the mid-range ECU manufacturers (Omex, DTA, etc) cracked direct-injection yet?
It's Evolution Baby!
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Slimy38
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| posted on 6/7/15 at 04:49 PM |
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They're still a bit expensive donors aren't they? There's a lot more to be had for less money.
Although Caterham do use a Turbocharged Suzuki 3 pot. And I believe there is a race series that uses the ecoboost engine in some form (although not
the 1.0 I think).
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femster87
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| posted on 6/7/15 at 04:53 PM |
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https://fordperformanceracingparts.com/calibration/
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morcus
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| posted on 6/7/15 at 06:01 PM |
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I've been wondering the same thing for a while now. Buying a whole donor might be pricey but as it's one of the main engines in two of
the top 5 cars sold in this country, I can't imagine it would be that expensive to buy a new engine or a re-con from a written off car.
In the focus I thought it was a bit of a let down, but in a light car and tuned for performance should be a hoot.
In a White Room, With Black Curtains, By the Station.
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big_wasa
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| posted on 6/7/15 at 06:13 PM |
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Send me a donor and I will have a crack at it 
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ian locostzx9rc2
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| posted on 6/7/15 at 06:56 PM |
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I drove a 125bhp 1.0 ltr eco boost in a fiesta a couple of weeks ago very impressed decent power and amazingly smooth and quite .
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ceebmoj
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| posted on 6/7/15 at 06:58 PM |
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The RP1 from elemental uses the ecoboost http://elementalcars.co.uk/
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 7/7/15 at 06:46 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by morcus
I can't imagine it would be that expensive to buy a new engine or a re-con from a written off car.
I think it would be pretty unusual for a written off car to yield a re-conditioned ecoboost engine.
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adampage
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Caterham did.....
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/caterham/7/60749/caterham-seven-sv-10-ecoboost
And Ford built that road legal formula ford with a 180bhp version I think.
Bound to happen a few times in the future as the donors get a bit older/cheaper.
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adithorp
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| posted on 7/7/15 at 07:45 AM |
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Riot are building their demo car with a 1.6ecoboost.
My sister got a Fiesta 1.0ecoboost last year and it's very impressive. Pulls really well even loaded up and it's the smoothest 3pot
I've come across.
"A witty saying proves nothing" Voltaire
http://jpsc.org.uk/forum/
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smart51
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| posted on 7/7/15 at 08:04 AM |
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Not an eco boost, but the Toyota Aygo engine. These people will supply you with a new engine in motorsport tune (80 BHP over the stock 63). They
even do RWD gearboxes to match if you don't want FWD. At 65kg fully dressed including fluids, it is a light weight lump too.
http://www.dee-ltd.co.uk/powertrain/1kr-fe.html
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Myke 2463
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| posted on 7/7/15 at 08:04 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by big_wasa
Send me a donor and I will have a crack at it
No surprise there,
Be Lucky Mike.
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scootz
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| posted on 7/7/15 at 09:06 AM |
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Thanks for the replies guys.
Yup, was aware that Ford and Caterham had used the 3-pot, but I was after any 'home brew' / 'amateur build' installation
info.
Ford and Caterham clearly have the tech-bods / finances / contacts to do the development work. Most of us don't.
I'm mainly wondering if anyone has managed to use the OE ECU from the Ecoboosts donor outside the OE car? I can't afford a
direct-injection friendly Pectel or Motec ECU.
The option I went for when fiddling with the Audi FSI V8 was to blank-off the direct-injection ports and use 'normal' injectors in
TB's. I wouldn't do it again as it was so complicated / pricey.
It's Evolution Baby!
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Riot Squad
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| posted on 8/7/15 at 09:04 PM |
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The problem with the ECU's used to run the latest Ecoboost engines is that they require a direct injection module and use a fly by wire
throttle. This unfortunately increases the cost of an aftermarket ecu due to the greater number of components needed and the very complex calibration
needed to get it all working nicely.
We have been working on the installation of our 4cyl 1.6 Ecoboost using a Tornado ECU which is half the price of a Life Racing system, but still
requires further tweaks to get the most out of it. I believe Life racing support the Formula Ford 1.6 Ecoboost race engines.
In fact we are looking into the possibility of swapping the direct injection for regular fuel injection and using a mechanical throttle, which
significantly reduces the overall cost and greatly simplifies the calibration at little detriment to the engines performance.
The company that now build our engines are working on a reasonably priced plug and play ecu to manage the ecoboost units but it looks like they will
not be available till next year.
These are brilliantly little units and we believe will be the engine of choice in the very near future especially due to their very low emissions and
ability to produce a huge amount of power (1.6 can produce a reliable 300bhp on standard internals). It's just a matter of time before the
aftermarket parts become available at the right price.
www.Riotcars.co.uk
Tel. 01643 709330
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mackei23b
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| posted on 9/7/15 at 12:33 PM |
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Ecoboost in here: http://www.vortex-auto.com/
Cheers
Ian
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Ugg10
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| posted on 9/7/15 at 02:38 PM |
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Looks like prices are starting to drop.
FORD FIESTA MK9 2012-2015 1.0 998CC ECOBOOST ENGINE + TURBO 120 / 125PS | eBay
KA
Just need to find a way of controlling it.
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ashakpezivink
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| posted on 15/7/15 at 07:51 AM |
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I've been researching the Ecoboost for the last few weeks and the limited amount of information i've been able to find on the internet is
conflicting as usual I wonder if anyone here could help me understand some of the questions i've had about using the Ecoboost engine?
I assumed that if you were crazy enough you could take the entire wring loom, ecu, sensors, etc. out of a fiesta, focus, c-max (whatever else the
engine is in?) and you would be mostly sorted until there was a better alternative to control the engine. However things i've read suggest that
it might not be that simple due to the way all of the electronics communicate on a modern vehicle and that even things like the stereo, alarm,
electric windows, etc. may be required as the computer expects them to be there.
This does seem a bit odd to me though, I wouldn't expect my vehicle to stop running if my stereo broke for example! If that's the case,
presumably there's some tool that ford themselves are able to use to disable various components meaning that you needed less less of the donor
vehicle?
The other thing i'm trying to understand is what gearbox you might be able to use with the engine. Some people suggest that it might be
compatible with the type 9 earbox, others suggest that it's definitely not compatible... So does anyone know which it is?
I thought the Caterham article was interesting when I first read it, but I got the idea that Ford themselves had decided to try out the engine in the
Caterham rather than Caterham wanting to try out the engine. Either way they would have had to control it in some way, which for Ford may have been
easy (being their engine), but if it was, what would they have used? Would one of their engineers have quickly whipped up a cut down version of the
ecu in their retail vehicles? If so... why wouldn't they have gone on to make something similar available to anyone who wanted to use the engine
in something else? The same goes for the gearbox they used.. would it have been a Caterham sequential gearbox and how would they have made it
compatible with the engine? Presumably even with lots of money Ford wouldn't have gone to the trouble to produced a one off bell housing just to
put it in a Caterham once?
Interestingly a family member works for Lotus. I was discussing the Ecoboost engine with him perhaps 6 months ago and he said that Lotus had tested
it out in an Elise a while ago. I'll be seeing him in a few weeks and hope to ask him some similar questions as I wonder about the Caterham
above. How did Lotus control the engine? Surely for testing they didn't have to develop an ECU themselves? etc.
That's about it. Any input obviously greatly appreciated.
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Riot Squad
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| posted on 15/7/15 at 09:58 AM |
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Theoretically you could remove the majority of a Fiesta loom including the various sensors the ECU requires (many immobiliser related) and be able to
run the Ecoboost in a kit car.
The Ecoboost uses the usual ford bellhousing bolt pattern as found on Zetecs and Duratecs so plenty of inline gearbox options available.
I imagine Ford would be able to configure the Firmware on their ECU's to enable it to just 'see' what they want or is necessary for
a particular installation. Remember their road legal Formula Ford car!
The ECU would still need to be re-calibrated to run efficiently in its new environment though.
As mentioned in a previous post, more new aftermarket ECU's will become available and in increasingly competitive prices.
I guess Lotus have the resources to produce their own ECU configured for the Ecoboost in their cars, especially if it proves cheaper than buying and
recalibrating a Ford (Bosch) unit.
It 'only' cost us about £3000 initial layout to buy and recalibrate an aftermarket ECU to run the Ecoboost in our cars. Part of that cost
is recalibration which can now be incorporated (as a map) in all our ecu's for our cars.
www.Riotcars.co.uk
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ashakpezivink
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| posted on 15/7/15 at 10:40 AM |
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Riot Squad,
Your mention of the bellhousing bolt pattern being compatible... does that also apply to the 1.0 Ecoboost, or just the 1.6?
Thanks
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wylliezx9r
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| posted on 15/7/15 at 11:09 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Riot Squad
Theoretically you could remove the majority of a Fiesta loom including the various sensors the ECU requires (many immobiliser related) and be able to
run the Ecoboost in a kit car.
The Ecoboost uses the usual ford bellhousing bolt pattern as found on Zetecs and Duratecs so plenty of inline gearbox options available.
I imagine Ford would be able to configure the Firmware on their ECU's to enable it to just 'see' what they want or is necessary for
a particular installation. Remember their road legal Formula Ford car!
The ECU would still need to be re-calibrated to run efficiently in its new environment though.
As mentioned in a previous post, more new aftermarket ECU's will become available and in increasingly competitive prices.
I guess Lotus have the resources to produce their own ECU configured for the Ecoboost in their cars, especially if it proves cheaper than buying and
recalibrating a Ford (Bosch) unit.
It 'only' cost us about £3000 initial layout to buy and recalibrate an aftermarket ECU to run the Ecoboost in our cars. Part of that cost
is recalibration which can now be incorporated (as a map) in all our ecu's for our cars.
Zetec and duratec bolt pattern are different.
I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered.
George Best
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Riot Squad
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| posted on 15/7/15 at 11:27 AM |
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Sorry, should have said the 1.0 Ecoboost is not the same as the 1.6 and as far as I'm aware it doesn't fit any other gearboxes (apart from
some Peugeot Diesel I'm told) also I don't believe anyone produces an adaptor plate to fit an inline gearbox (yet).
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Riot Squad
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| posted on 15/7/15 at 11:39 AM |
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Sorry again!, should be Zetec SE and Duratec. The 1.6 Ecoboost is similar to the Sigma engine.
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ashakpezivink
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| posted on 15/7/15 at 11:40 AM |
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This is why I wonder what they did in the Caterham for the gearbox
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DW100
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| posted on 15/7/15 at 04:37 PM |
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Are you proposing to run a eco boost engine without the drive by wire throttle, direct injection and variable valve timing? Surely that is what makes
it a eco boost engine and is fundamental to its operation.
That like saying i'm going to use a laptop to write an essay, then carving into it with a hammer and chisel like a stone tablet!!!
Some videos on Eco Boost technology
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaUDNhS1nrg&feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t908YJRebw&feature=related
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big_wasa
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| posted on 15/7/15 at 05:37 PM |
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Hmm want one. Don't they do a 2.0 as well ?
Bad weather is good for accident damaged motors, best finish what I've got first. 
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