bi22le
|
| posted on 16/8/15 at 08:58 PM |
|
|
The Light Car Company - Rocket. . . . WOW
I never knew this existed.
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-britishcars/the-light-car-rocket-spotted/32694
Track days ARE the best thing since sliced bread, until I get a supercharger that is!
Please read my ring story:
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/forum/13/viewthread.php?tid=139152&page=1
Me doing a sub 56sec lap around Brands Indy. I need a geo set up! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHksfvIGB3I
|
|
|
|
|
coyoteboy
|
| posted on 16/8/15 at 09:33 PM |
|
|
Definitely function over form!
|
|
|
russbost
|
| posted on 17/8/15 at 07:03 AM |
|
|
I never could work out where the ridiculous price tag came from, there never was anything "special" about the car at all, other than the
name Gordon Murray attached which presumably meant you could sell it for double (or more) what it was actually worth!
I no longer run Furore Products or Furore Cars Ltd, but would still highly recommend them for Acewell dashes, projector headlights, dominator
headlights, indicators, mirrors etc, best prices in the UK! Take a look at http://www.furoreproducts.co.uk/ or find more parts on Ebay, user names
furoreltd & furoreproducts, discounts available for LCB users.
Don't forget Stainless Steel Braided brake hoses, made to your exact requirements in any of around 16 colours.
http://shop.ebay.co.uk/furoreproducts/m.html?_dmd=1&_ipg=50&_sop=12&_rdc=1
|
NOTE:This user is registered as a LocostBuilders trader and may offer commercial services to other users
|
adampage
|
 posted on 17/8/15 at 08:00 AM |
|
|
Ha ha....
Russ,
I'm sorry, not sure if it was meant like that, but your post looks slightly like professional jealousy.....
You make a tandem seat f1 replica and so did Gordon Murray, but his is world famous, revered in the press and commands high sale prices, and yours,
well, isn't.
I'd say well done to the guy, I've always thought it an elegant and simple design, very exotic for it's day, as it was designed in
1991, it was a bit of a precursor to the number of bike engined cars around today.
Every road test I've read was really positive about it, and if it's held it's value, then there's appeal and demand.
Seems a bit sour grapes to say there's nothing special about it!
Just my humble opinion of course, all can disagree if they want.
Ad
|
|
|
SJ
|
| posted on 17/8/15 at 09:01 AM |
|
|
I think Russ has a point but I guess for the target market for the Light Car Rocket price just isn't an issue, whereas Russ is subject to a bit
of healthy competition from the locost market so is a bit more focussed on keeping the price down.
Personally I'm not keen on either of the cars though compared to a Seven or a Fury / Stylus.
Stu
|
|
|
Irony
|
| posted on 17/8/15 at 09:34 AM |
|
|
I always think that the perceived value of cars like ours is subject to a great deal of brand awareness, snobbery, unrealistic track times and dubious
engineering opinions. At my recent IVA the IVA tester claimed in some ways in his opinion a GBS Zero is 'better' than a Caterham. As a
person who sees more lightweight kit built sportscars than any other person his opinion should have some weight. The prices of said cars does not
however reflect this.
Its the price that people will pay rather than it's value that matters.
|
|
|
coyoteboy
|
| posted on 17/8/15 at 10:07 AM |
|
|
To be fair, the Caparo T1 sits at the top of the market I suspect. There's room below for variations.
|
|
|
russbost
|
| posted on 17/8/15 at 10:28 AM |
|
|
When I said I could never work out where the ridiculous price tag came from I actually meant when it was launched, so that would be a bit early for
professional jealousy as my car was some 14 years away from being built at the time. 
I've had people say my car is way too dear because I ask some £20k plus for a built car, but then I don't have the no. of customers that a
7 manufacturer has to get the economies of scale - I also couldn't give a monkeys about actually making any money from the project or selling to
a mass market (lucky really, because I doubt if it's paid me even a fiver an hour for all the hours put in - the first car took around 2000
hours & there's a lot more gone in since!), if it ever did take off then I can assure you I would no longer be running the show. But why
would I want to sell the car for peanuts, it's not like there is actually anything else even vaguely similar out there, unlike a 7 where you can
go & choose from any no. for less than £10k already on the road
My point about the ridiculous price tag also applies to things like the Atom - it doesn't even have any bodywork to talk of & believe me
that's where most of your time & costs go, along with development, which is very easy if you're selling dozens or hundreds, but has to
be spread over much fewer cars when selling just a few. You could also say exactly the same about the Caparro, surprise surprise they never sold many,
the production standard was appalling & reliability - well, they set fire to Plato & the floor fell off when Top Gear played with it!!! There
is absolutely nothing special about either the Rocket or the Atom, the Caparro has a very special engine (which is then going to need rebuilding
frequently at vast expense) & some carbon fibre bits, but give me a BAC Mono any time - yes, it's very expensive for what it is, but at
least it's built to a high standard, & is put together properly & won't need a rebuild every 5 minutes! 
I no longer run Furore Products or Furore Cars Ltd, but would still highly recommend them for Acewell dashes, projector headlights, dominator
headlights, indicators, mirrors etc, best prices in the UK! Take a look at http://www.furoreproducts.co.uk/ or find more parts on Ebay, user names
furoreltd & furoreproducts, discounts available for LCB users.
Don't forget Stainless Steel Braided brake hoses, made to your exact requirements in any of around 16 colours.
http://shop.ebay.co.uk/furoreproducts/m.html?_dmd=1&_ipg=50&_sop=12&_rdc=1
|
NOTE:This user is registered as a LocostBuilders trader and may offer commercial services to other users
|
ettore bugatti
|
| posted on 17/8/15 at 08:07 PM |
|
|
Wasn't the Weisman gearbox extension like 12 grand?
Lovely car, although it never had its ultimate compliment.
Imitation
|
|
|
Dopdog
|
| posted on 18/8/15 at 07:01 AM |
|
|
didn't someone like brooke cars do a similar one to this as well?
|
|
|
russbost
|
| posted on 18/8/15 at 07:39 AM |
|
|
The Brooke was quite similar looking, but IIRC, it was a Duratec 2.3, can't remember how the transmission was arranged, ie transverse or inline,
& the seats were side by side rather than tandem, can't remember the price tag, don't think it was as daft as some, but still wrong
side of £40k possibly? I don't think many were sold, I've never seen one in the flesh other than at a show many years ago ..........
I no longer run Furore Products or Furore Cars Ltd, but would still highly recommend them for Acewell dashes, projector headlights, dominator
headlights, indicators, mirrors etc, best prices in the UK! Take a look at http://www.furoreproducts.co.uk/ or find more parts on Ebay, user names
furoreltd & furoreproducts, discounts available for LCB users.
Don't forget Stainless Steel Braided brake hoses, made to your exact requirements in any of around 16 colours.
http://shop.ebay.co.uk/furoreproducts/m.html?_dmd=1&_ipg=50&_sop=12&_rdc=1
|
NOTE:This user is registered as a LocostBuilders trader and may offer commercial services to other users
|
swanny
|
| posted on 18/8/15 at 12:00 PM |
|
|
Brooke! that was the name i was searching for.
Spotted one at a kit car place years ago (anyone remember Jigtec??????? ) under a tarpaulin that someone had had a fatal accident in. never seen
another before or since.
|
|
|
scootz
|
| posted on 18/8/15 at 12:12 PM |
|
|
There's a Brooke for sale on PH just now... I really like them!
ADVERT LINK
It's Evolution Baby!
|
|
|
scootz
|
| posted on 18/8/15 at 12:24 PM |
|
|
It's simple! The Rocket commands a premium because it was designed by a genius F1 engineer.
It's Evolution Baby!
|
|
|
Sam_68
|
| posted on 18/8/15 at 06:24 PM |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by russbost
I could never work out where the ridiculous price tag came from...
...because I doubt if it's paid me even a fiver an hour for all the hours put in
You've answered your own question, Russ.
The only difference is that Gordon Murray and Chris Craft had the reputation, the contacts and yes, the product to actually sell it at a
commercially viable and worthwhile price.
I doubt if either of them would see much sense in working for considerably less than the legal minimum wage.
|
|
|
russbost
|
| posted on 19/8/15 at 07:47 AM |
|
|
"at a commercially viable and worthwhile price" - Eeeeerrrrmmmm, How many did they sell, & how many years did it stay in production?
Commercially viable? - well obviously not!
I no longer run Furore Products or Furore Cars Ltd, but would still highly recommend them for Acewell dashes, projector headlights, dominator
headlights, indicators, mirrors etc, best prices in the UK! Take a look at http://www.furoreproducts.co.uk/ or find more parts on Ebay, user names
furoreltd & furoreproducts, discounts available for LCB users.
Don't forget Stainless Steel Braided brake hoses, made to your exact requirements in any of around 16 colours.
http://shop.ebay.co.uk/furoreproducts/m.html?_dmd=1&_ipg=50&_sop=12&_rdc=1
|
NOTE:This user is registered as a LocostBuilders trader and may offer commercial services to other users
|
Sam_68
|
| posted on 19/8/15 at 06:47 PM |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by russbost
"at a commercially viable and worthwhile price" - Eeeeerrrrmmmm, How many did they sell, & how many years did it stay in production?
Commercially viable? - well obviously not!
About 55 cars over 6 years ('92-'98 for the first production run), wasn't it?
At £40K each, that'd be £360K per annum turnover, and assuming a sensible and business-like profit margin of 25%, would have put about £90K a
year (back in the '90's remember, when the average annual salary was a little over £20K) into Mr Craft's pocket.
Beats working for less than minimum wage, surely?
|
|
|
steve m
|
| posted on 19/8/15 at 06:55 PM |
|
|
It must be just me then, as I think it looks horrid, not got the right lines at all,
The Brooke however is a much more pleasing look
steve
Thats was probably spelt wrong, or had some grammer, that the "grammer police have to have a moan at
|
|
|
bi22le
|
| posted on 19/8/15 at 07:21 PM |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by scootz
There's a Brooke for sale on PH just now... I really like them!
ADVERT LINK
A brooke at Brooklands, perfect photo opportunity!
Track days ARE the best thing since sliced bread, until I get a supercharger that is!
Please read my ring story:
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/forum/13/viewthread.php?tid=139152&page=1
Me doing a sub 56sec lap around Brands Indy. I need a geo set up! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHksfvIGB3I
|
|
|
