jeffw
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| posted on 6/3/10 at 06:58 AM |
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Agincourt re-enactment gone too far ?
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eddie99
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| posted on 6/3/10 at 10:28 AM |
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Originally posted by jeffw
For me personally it is fit & finish as well as trusting the Arai brand to do as much as possible to save my head. Having had 5 or 6 Arai helmets
and crashed bikes in 2 of them without serious damage I decided to stick with them. Simple as that really.
Anyway helmet is back from Ultimate Airbrush and looks awesome.
Need Pictures im afraid!!!!
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jeffw
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| posted on 6/3/10 at 10:39 AM |
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Hoping someone would ask 
[Edited on 6/3/10 by jeffw]
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eddie99
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| posted on 6/3/10 at 10:49 AM |
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Very Nice, mind if i ask how much the paint job was?
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Badger_McLetcher
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| posted on 6/3/10 at 10:49 AM |
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Glad I've read this topic tbh as am hopefully gonna get me bike license soon, was going to use the same helmet for both! Not gonna do that
now...
If I've learnt anything from reenactment it's that you need to protect your noggin. Of course this doesn't necessarilly mean paying
through your nose, but it's one thing you shouldn't skimp on.
If disfunction is a function, then I must be some kind of genius.
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jeffw
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| posted on 6/3/10 at 11:22 AM |
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Not sure telling the price is appropriate on Locostbuilders but it was £380 +delivery. Would have been £325 without the cartoon. Obviously the more
complex the design the more it costs.
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02GF74
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| posted on 6/3/10 at 04:57 PM |
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nice .... but what is that on the back?
looks like a blue roller skate. 
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jeffw
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| posted on 6/3/10 at 05:25 PM |
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Lol
It is meant to be a racing computer mouse (the bike lid had a Kart version this one is meant to be a car version of the same cartoon).
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02GF74
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| posted on 7/3/10 at 12:59 AM |
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ahhhh i thought it looked familar , explains the "half front bumper" which is the mouse lead then.
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RK
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| posted on 7/3/10 at 04:48 AM |
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And they paid you over 300 pounds just to wear it! Where do I sign?
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jeffw
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| posted on 7/3/10 at 07:16 AM |
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Sigh, not you again....naff off if you haven't anything constructive to say.
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smart51
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| posted on 7/3/10 at 07:25 AM |
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Originally posted by jeffw
Just paid Gordo £35K for my part of the banks we all bought which was slightly less than expect so...new lid 
Really? I'd heard he'd borrowed it and we'd have to pay it back. I didn't realise that he'd borrowed some from you.
BTW. How much better is a £2500 helmet than, say, a £250 helmet. Given that cheap ones are around £50, the £250 job must ba fairly decent. Its only
got to be a couple of percent surely?
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jeffw
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| posted on 7/3/10 at 07:51 AM |
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While I appreciate the costs involved in this helmet are not to everyones taste (or budget) and the paintwork will not met many peoples approval, I
am, however, taken aback by the level of sniping and snide comments given that I have always found Locustbuilders a pretty friendly place.
I will get the Admins to remove this thread.
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smart51
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| posted on 7/3/10 at 08:27 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by jeffw
taken aback by the level of sniping
I hope this was not aimed at me. I am genuinely interested in what people who buy expensive helmets think the benefits are.
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smart51
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| posted on 7/3/10 at 08:47 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by jeffw
I will get the Admins to remove this thread.
No need, you can do it yourself. Just edit your original post and tick the delete this thread tick box. easy.
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jeffw
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| posted on 7/3/10 at 09:13 AM |
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I hope this was not aimed at me. I am genuinely interested in what people who buy expensive helmets think the benefits are.
Since you asked. Motorsport helmets must comply with much higher standards than BS 6658 Type B & Type A standards for the roads. There is a
newer EC standard for bike helmets which I know little about.
The £2500 Arai (and other manufactures) helmet complies with a new FIA standard which requires the use of complex carbon fibre & kevlar composite
materials. This exceeds the standards that my Arai GP-6S has to pass although they are essentially the same shell made from different materials. The
Arai helmet GP-6RC is in very short supply and only International race licenses holders are allowed to buy it. The new FIA standard (FIA 8860/2004)
is compulsory for F1 and similar formulas.
In the event of needing the helmet to save my life I do not want to regret not spending the extra £XXX and if I could afford (or qualify for) a GP-6RC
then I would have one. There are very few helmets that meet the standard (SA2005) for under £250 and most are around the same cost level as the
Arai.
You appear to be of the opinion that helmets are all the same and therefore extra money spend on them is a waste. Having fallen off several
Motorcycles at high speed over the years I buy the best safety equipment I can afford. For the vast majority of the time it will be money
wasted...but for the split second you need it the cost of safety equipment is worth every penny.
If you look at helmets as something you are required to have for track days or what ever event you are taking part in as an expense then they are a
waste of money. If you view them as something that will save your life then cost is irrelevant.
quote:
No need, you can do it yourself. Just edit your original post and tick the delete this thread tick box. easy.
There are now edit boxes on the orginal post as I think it is too old.
[Edited on 7/3/10 by jeffw]
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smart51
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| posted on 7/3/10 at 09:24 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by jeffw
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You appear to be of the opinion that helmets are all the same and therefore extra money spend on them is a waste.
Not at all, but I have observed that in most things, the cheapest is a lot worse than something only a little more expensive. In the mid range, you
get what you pay for whereas the most expensive things are only a little better for a lot more money - the law of diminishing returns.
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jeffw
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| posted on 7/3/10 at 09:32 AM |
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Well, in Arai motorsport helmet terms, I have bought the low-end model. There is the GP-6 at £1000 and the GP-6RC at £2500.
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eddie99
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| posted on 7/3/10 at 10:22 AM |
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Sorry for asking how much it costs, i think its worth it!!! Didnt realise the snipes would happen.
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02GF74
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| posted on 7/3/10 at 10:34 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by jeffw
While I appreciate the costs involved in this helmet are not to everyones taste (or budget) and the paintwork will not met many peoples approval, I
am, however, taken aback by the level of sniping and snide comments given that I have always found Locustbuilders a pretty friendly place.
the sniping as you put it is I reckon is due to partial ignorance.
I would include myself but I was not aware of your helmet being for car motor sport and having to comply to different regs. than motorcycel helmet so
learnt something there.
nevertheless, I suspect the puzzlement still exists as to why it is worth paying £ 800 for a helmet instead of £ 400 or £ 200 or £ 50.
you may have crashed several times but unless you had the exact same crash in lesser and more expensive helmes, I do not see how you can say that a £
400 did a better job than a £ 100, unless you have analsyed a whole bunch of these helmets from crashes.
I profess myt ingnorance in the standards and aren't that interested in the details but would like to know in layman terms how the helmets
become better with more money.
for example, it take a x KN forcre to crack an average skull but Y KN if wearing helmet Z or W kN if wearing helmet costing 2x helemt Z.
My only understanding is that the helmets pass the smae standard but as the price goes up, they become lighter do to more elaborate material and
constructions.
..... anywways, nice helmet, it's yours, your money, your head, in the gander scheme of things, what does it matter what anyoine else thinks? 
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jeffw
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| posted on 7/3/10 at 11:12 AM |
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There are many different standards for helmets (Bike and Motorsport ones) and they require different things. Bike helmets are not required to be fire
resistant simply because you are not expecting to be near a source of flames for very long on a bike.
Motorsport helmets are designed in a different way. They must protect against impact, sharp object intrusion (think Massa last year) and attempt to
keep the driver alive while sitting in a car on fire. Because the driver is restrained with harnesses & (possible) HANS devices it is not the
same requirements as a bike helmet.
The Arai GP-6S is the entry level Arai helmet which uses the same shell shape as the more expensive helmets but is made of different materials. It
still has a fireproof interior, Kevlar strap (don’t want your helmet strap to burn through while in the middle of an accident), fireproof visor and
aluminium visor screws. It also has HANS posts to enable the use of a HANS device. The primary difference between the GP-6S (£561) & GP-6 (£980)
is the weight, level of object intrusion protection, aperture size and it passes a higher FIA safety standard. As someone who wears glasses I cannot
use a GP-6 as I can’t get the glasses on. The GP-6RC (£2500) passes the highest FIA standard and is at the level which is required for F1 this year.
Weight is an important consideration as the helmet adds to the weight of your head which you have to keep upright in 3-4g corners or a 100g accident
so every gram will make a difference (an extra 150grams would be the equivalent of ½ Kg hanging off your neck during a high speed corner or 15Kg in a
100g accident).
Shell size is important as well, a lot of helmet makers in the lower price ranges use one shell with different padding for each size. So a XL helmet
will be a lot lighter than a XS helmet. In karting now you will need a specific kart helmet or a motorsport helmet to compete but if you are under 14
you must use a specially designed childs karting helmet not an adult which you have been allowed to do up to now.
Also remember that all motorsport helmets are +VAT whereas Bike helmets are VAT free.
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