Mr G
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| posted on 12/6/11 at 10:16 PM |
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Originally posted by dave107
oh and were did the safety car finish, 
He hasn't yet, still out doing laps
Normal is getting dressed in clothes that you buy for work and driving through traffic in a
car that you are still paying for - in order to get to the job you need to pay for the clothes
and the car, and the house you leave vacant all day so you can afford to live in it.
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Rod Ends
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Highlights @1:10 AM on BBC3
quote:
Jake Humphrey presents highlights of the Canadian Grand Prix from Montreal.
Great Britain's Lewis Hamilton is hoping to repeat his heroics of last year
when he won an exciting race ahead of team-mate Jenson Button.   
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designer
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| posted on 12/6/11 at 10:53 PM |
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I still think it's a nonsence to give the bloke behind the advantage of DRS.
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Steve Hignett
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| posted on 12/6/11 at 11:22 PM |
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Originally posted by Kwik
the DRS is only usually in one part of the track, but for this race they had it on 2 parts with only 1 activation zone.
so webber was within 1 second at that start of the long straight and passed schumacher on the straight, he then hit the breaks for the chicane which
closes his rear wing, there is then a second line that he can activate his rear wing from.
very unusual to have 2 lines you can use it from...
[Edited on 12/6/11 by Kwik]
Once again, it's probably my lack of F1 understanding and missing something - but I thought he passed him on the lap previous, and therefore was
the lead car, so not able to use the DRS???
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blakep82
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| posted on 12/6/11 at 11:56 PM |
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I can't stand JB, i hope the outcome of the investigation will be favourable to me...
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skodaman
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| posted on 13/6/11 at 01:17 AM |
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'Fantastic, im just secretly gutted that MSC didnt get onto the podium' Yeh I was thinking the same, though I would never admit it in
public. I couldn't stand Scummy when he was winning everything with Ferrari. He went up in my estimation when he went bike racing.
Obviously not for the money. Good luck to the Flying Chin (unless he starts winning everything again that is).
Skodaman
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tomgregory2000
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| posted on 13/6/11 at 05:40 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Steve Hignett
quote:
Originally posted by Kwik
the DRS is only usually in one part of the track, but for this race they had it on 2 parts with only 1 activation zone.
so webber was within 1 second at that start of the long straight and passed schumacher on the straight, he then hit the breaks for the chicane which
closes his rear wing, there is then a second line that he can activate his rear wing from.
very unusual to have 2 lines you can use it from...
[Edited on 12/6/11 by Kwik]
Once again, it's probably my lack of F1 understanding and missing something - but I thought he passed him on the lap previous, and therefore was
the lead car, so not able to use the DRS???
You have to be 1 second or less to ANY car that is in front of you for it to become active
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scootz
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| posted on 13/6/11 at 08:43 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by designer
I still think it's a nonsence to give the bloke behind the advantage of DRS.
Why? The fact he has closed to within one second and is staying there in the dirty air indicates he is faster than the car in front. Overtaking was
becoming impossible between closely matched cars when the 'follower' had to sit in turbulent air.
It's Evolution Baby!
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blakep82
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| posted on 13/6/11 at 10:50 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by scootz
quote:
Originally posted by designer
I still think it's a nonsence to give the bloke behind the advantage of DRS.
Why? The fact he has closed to within one second and is staying there in the dirty air indicates he is faster than the car in front. Overtaking was
becoming impossible between closely matched cars when the 'follower' had to sit in turbulent air.
yep, and then the next lap round, if they're still within 1 sec of each other, the tables are turned. its genius
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Irony
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| posted on 13/6/11 at 11:09 AM |
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I agree that the DRS is a good thing as without it there seems to be little chance of overtakes between similar cars. But sometimes to me it does
seem that on some tracks it can make overtakes seem to easy. In Canada I kinda wanted (even though I dislike O'l Bighead) Schuey to get a
podium place but he was a sitting duck with the DRS.
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907
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| posted on 13/6/11 at 11:28 AM |
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Turned out a fantastic race. I was on the edge of my seat.
I too would like to have seen MS on the podium.
I thought the "boys in the box" handled the red flag period well.
I was really impressed with DC's knowledge of the local wildlife.
A "red shouldered black bird". Mmm!
Cheers,
Paul G
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JoelP
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| posted on 13/6/11 at 11:46 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by 907
A "red shouldered black bird". Mmm!
Cheers,
Paul G
If it is called that, im sure it was just a good guess!
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designer
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| posted on 13/6/11 at 01:05 PM |
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I see we are all raving about F1 after a wet race.
Without a safety car Vettel would have walked it. Button gained nearly a full minute because of the safety car and would have been nowhere.
That's NOT racing.
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Doctor Derek Doctors
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| posted on 13/6/11 at 01:41 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
quote:
Originally posted by scootz
quote:
Originally posted by designer
I still think it's a nonsence to give the bloke behind the advantage of DRS.
Why? The fact he has closed to within one second and is staying there in the dirty air indicates he is faster than the car in front. Overtaking was
becoming impossible between closely matched cars when the 'follower' had to sit in turbulent air.
yep, and then the next lap round, if they're still within 1 sec of each other, the tables are turned. its genius
You should probably watch more then.... or even have watched the Canadian race properly because that situation has not been happening, nobody who
passed using DRS was repassed the next lap by the car that they just passed. MSC and Webber was a case in point.
persoanlly I don't agree with DRS but it has been working and odoing what they said it would do.
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blakep82
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| posted on 13/6/11 at 01:46 PM |
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i never said it happens in every case, i just said that if they're still within a second, they get the chance to use it too, and i did watch the
canadian GP, all of it, even the 2 hours of rain lol
as i see it, the problem with DRS and the canadian gp was the rain/wet track. DRS wasn't much good in this case because of the extra braking
required. and having to go onto the wetter part of the track to over take. it only worked if someone was a lot slower, in which case, they
weren't going to over take again, with or without DRS or rain.
[Edited on 13/6/11 by blakep82]
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Irony
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| posted on 13/6/11 at 03:17 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by designer
I see we are all raving about F1 after a wet race.
Without a safety car Vettel would have walked it. Button gained nearly a full minute because of the safety car and would have been nowhere.
That's NOT racing.
Sorry I have to respectfully disagree. Admittedly I was bored of the safety cars many outings but its there for a reason. Without it Vettel might
have spun off and never 'walked' again.
Besides didn't Vettel immediately pit twice when the safety car came out. At 22-23 seconds per pit stop thats nearly 50 seconds he saved.
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blakep82
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| posted on 13/6/11 at 03:24 PM |
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safety car at the end (not because of rain) bunched everyone up, gave button the advantage, end of
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Doctor Derek Doctors
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| posted on 13/6/11 at 03:34 PM |
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Some people are just never bloody happy.
This year every race has been superb yet people are still moaning like fuck.
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Irony
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| posted on 13/6/11 at 03:37 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
safety car at the end (not because of rain) bunched everyone up, gave button the advantage, end of
That depends on your definition of the word advantage. The Safety car helped button gain 4 maybe 5 seconds thats all. Button still had to close the 5
- 6 seconds gap to Vettel who was slightly caught napping by Buttons pace after the safety car came in. After he had caught him he still had to pass
or pressurise Vettel into a mistake. Which he did. Safety cars or no safety cars Button drove a fantastic race and deserved the win.
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blakep82
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| posted on 13/6/11 at 03:53 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Irony
Button drove a fantastic race and deserved the win.
to be honest, i'm never going to agree with that part  i can't stand the guy, i would have loved ANYONE but him to win i'd try
and argue the point wherever him winning is concerned...
if i remember right, before that last safety car (10 laps before the end), he was about 14 seconds down (i checked on iplayer), safety car comes out,
goes in, he's 3 seconds down, from that 3 seconds for the last 10 laps, he only just got by because of vettels error (not button's
'excellent' driving) which i don't put down to pressure. button wasn't close enough imo to be pressuring, although last lap,
maybe a bit.
had he have had to catch up the original 14 seconds over that 10 laps as it would have been without safety car, he would not have done it. he's
an average driver.
he was a main player in 2 accidents (1 imo he was a cause of, the other, hmm, perhaps not) and the win was down to team strategy rather than driving,
ie bringing him in for inters at that stage before everyone else.
again, the drive was average, the team and the safety car won it for him.
the red wing blackbird drove a better race can we have them over here?
[Edited on 13/6/11 by blakep82]
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scootz
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| posted on 13/6/11 at 05:30 PM |
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I get the feeling you don't like Button much Blake! I used to dislike him too, but then he matured and he's my main-man now (at least
until Di Resta gets himself into a top team!). Who knows - maybe when Lewis finally grows up, then I'll start to root for him too.
Anyway back to the matter at hand...
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Originally posted by blakep82... Button wasn't close enough IMO to be pressuring, although last lap, maybe a bit.
That doesn't make sense. You're saying that Button wasn't pressurising Vettel, yet the fact remains that he was eating up the time
/ distance between them! Then you concede that he 'maybe' pressured him 'a bit' on the last lap. It was the last lap where
Button was crawling over Vettels diffuser and it was the last lap that Vettel dropped it! Sounds like JB was pressurising SV a lot on the last lap to
me!
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Originally posted by blakep82... and the win was down to team strategy rather than driving, ie bringing him in for inters at that stage
before everyone else.
There was no strategy! JB was in the pits 6 times (not including the drive-through penalty!). SV was in a couple of times only and these were under
the Safety-Car so they were virtually 'free' stops. As for the early stop for inters you mention - that move didn't work out for
him. The rain started lashing down again a few laps into them and he was sliding about again!
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blakep82
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| posted on 13/6/11 at 05:46 PM |
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he's still a knob
and the last safety car gave him an instant 10 second catch up, he wouldn't have done it without that
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scootz
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| posted on 13/6/11 at 05:49 PM |
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Quite!
It's Evolution Baby!
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TheGiantTribble
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| posted on 13/6/11 at 06:18 PM |
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Regardless of whom couldn't overtake the bird with the red shoulders dispite having DRS and a chin the size of a small Scottish town
The Fact Remains...
It's still a hell of a lot more exciting than when the Cheating Sausage Muncher was driving for the Red Pasta Team, with a document from FIA
allowing them to re write the rule book to suit themselves.
Yes DRS feels a bit fake to me, but at least we've had races that we can all agree to disagree on, whom drove best/was robbed the most/did or
didn't give a boring interview even two days after the race
And yes I too for a brief moment felt sorry for Michael Shu but then I remembered how he should have been banned from motorsport for his many, many,
many bits of rule bending.
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Irony
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| posted on 13/6/11 at 09:49 PM |
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Can't believe I felt even a little bit bad micheal Schu didn't get a podium. Must keep remembering the days he was a smug Dick Dastardly.
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