sdh2903
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| posted on 15/7/15 at 07:07 PM |
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Originally posted by big_wasa
Hmm want one. Don't they do a 2.0 as well ?
Bad weather is good for accident damaged motors, best finish what I've got first. 
Yep 2.0 in the focus st and some mondeos. I've a pal who is running 350bhp+ in the estate focus st. It's epic once off the line but
hopeless at launching.
I have the 1.6 in a fiesta st and its superb. 180 bhp standard and sod all lag. Makes a decent noise and its a compact unit. They can be had for under
£1k now too. If the management and box can be sorted I really think they will be a popular choice for kits for many years. They take decent power on
standard internals aswell.
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sdh2903
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| posted on 15/7/15 at 07:10 PM |
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.......or if your really adventurous the yanks get a 3.5l twin turbo ecoboost rated at 365bhp straight out the box.
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big_wasa
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| posted on 15/7/15 at 07:39 PM |
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Really need a full car to reverse engineer the loom. What ever comes up cheapest.
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Riot Squad
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| posted on 15/7/15 at 07:45 PM |
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""Are you proposing to run a eco boost engine without the drive by wire throttle, direct injection and variable valve timing? Surely that
is what makes it a eco boost engine and is fundamental to its operation.
That like saying i'm going to use a laptop to write an essay, then carving into it with a hammer and chisel like a stone tablet!!!
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I personally prefer to have drive by wire and direct injection but it currently comes at quite a price.
Replacing the direct injection and drive by wire throttle does not fundamentally change the way the engine behaves and only has a small impact on its
performance (mpg and emissions). There was never any intent to remove the Variable cam timing btw.
The option of going to fuel injection and mechanical throttle means a "standard" aftermarket ECU can be used and most tuners can map it.
The calibration for DBT adds to the complexity of mapping. There is also no requirement for a direct Injection module and specific throttle pedal. So
along with simplifying the management comes a large saving in cost and easier access to a 200bhp turbo engine. In fact I would go as far as saying it
represents areal performance bargain.
That being said, it wont be long before there are more aftermarket ECU's available capable of managing the Ecoboost at much more competitive
prices and could make the above option redundant.
So more like having a tablet and attaching a keyboard.
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scootz
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| posted on 16/7/15 at 01:51 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by DW100
Are you proposing to run a eco boost engine without the drive by wire throttle, direct injection and variable valve timing? Surely that is what makes
it a eco boost engine and is fundamental to its operation.
That like saying i'm going to use a laptop to write an essay, then carving into it with a hammer and chisel like a stone tablet!!!
Balls! There are very few on here who have kept a donor engine absolutely as the designer intended it to be!
I'm sure folks appreciate the clever engineering that goes into such engines to make them clean and fuel efficient, but at the end of the day
most folks are only really concerned about how their chosen lump physically fits their particular project, and how much power / torque they can
further squeeze out of it themselves!
It's Evolution Baby!
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DW100
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| posted on 16/7/15 at 02:08 PM |
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I appreciate that it makes for an easier installation, but without those bits its just another 3 cylinder engine with a turbo charger. Its the clever
calibration of the injection and is interaction with the throttle and cam timing that makes it what it is.
Hell if you so feel like it you could make it run on a carb and a set of points.
I run a 2.0 Zetec powered Mk1 Fiesta hillclimber on throttle bodies and Emerald ignition and have built many one offs and competition cars. I am not
adverse to modifying stuff and would love a go at this engine. It drives fantastic in standard form and I believe it has great potential to be tuned,
but it is the software that makes this engine what it is as much as the hardware.
[Edited on 16/7/15 by DW100]
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cr500dom
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| posted on 3/9/15 at 03:54 PM |
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The Limitation for power on the 1.6 Ecoboost is the GDi injectors.
For big power you need to add Port Fuel injection to the manifold too.
Specialist components are the people to speak to, Simon has been doing loads with all Variants of EcoBoost Engine.
For some clarity, as there seems to be some confusion.
1.0L Ecoboost - 3 Cyl, FORD Designed, Conventional Ford bellhousing pattern (same as used Pre Xflow right up to last Zetec)
1.6L Ecoboost - 4 Cylinder, Effectively Sigma (YAMAHA Designed) engine with dual VVT, turbo and GDi - Sigma Bellhousing pattern
2.0L Ecoboost - 4 cylinder, Effectively Duratec (MAZDA Designed) engine with dual VVT, turbo and GDi - Duratec Bellhousing pattern
3 different engines, 3 different Architectures, 3 Different bellhousing fitments, but all available.
Hope that helps
Dom
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bi22le
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| posted on 3/9/15 at 06:44 PM |
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I went to ford fair at the beginning of august.
Mountune are easily squeezing 350bhp safely from the 1.6
Stock internals. They just change the bits on the out side. Turbo, injectors, gearbox internals.
Worth a call if your considering this route. They may have something to say about the ecu and fly by issues.
Track days ARE the best thing since sliced bread, until I get a supercharger that is!
Please read my ring story:
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/forum/13/viewthread.php?tid=139152&page=1
Me doing a sub 56sec lap around Brands Indy. I need a geo set up! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHksfvIGB3I
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Riot Squad
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| posted on 3/9/15 at 07:22 PM |
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1.0L Ecoboost - 3 Cyl, FORD Designed, Conventional Ford bellhousing pattern (same as used Pre Xflow right up to last Zetec)
Can you confirm this is correct, as we are led to believe by Power Torque when they replaced the 1.6 with the 1.0 Ecoboost in their demo Dax that the
bolt pattern is different to all Ford belhousings. The 1.0L seemingly being a bit of an oddball engine in terms of Ford lineage.
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Ugg10
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| posted on 3/9/15 at 08:10 PM |
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1.0L Ecoboost - 3 Cyl, FORD Designed, Conventional Ford bellhousing pattern (same as used Pre Xflow right up to last Zetec)
Dom
If that is correct I can see this being very popular in the near future with the classic ford boys (anglia, pop, prefect) where there are engine
length but not height issues. 100-120hp in a 1950-60s car is adequate for most and the ability to bolt up to the original 4 speed Box is a bonus.
[Edited on 3/9/15 by Ugg10]
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