daniel mason
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| posted on 19/3/10 at 09:15 AM |
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hidden costs of a project?
since i started to attempt my first build i have bought a complete donor, and stripped it down. i was warned before i started that going the f20c
route would cost considerably more than most installations,but was wondering which areas were going to add cost over a more "standard"
installation? have sold some bits from the donor and have someone interested in the rest of the car. if he agrees on my price which is still cheap
imo then the engine,box,prop,diff,steering wheel and column,clocks,loom and exhaust headers (given foc from pwl) will stand me at £800, and it will go
in without dry sump! compared to a high powered bike motor for example this seems relatively cheap! as i would imagine a high powered bike motor
would be in the region of £2k reverse box £500, diff £150 prop £150, headers £300!
i understand i need new ecu and drive shafts and the wiring may take some time but mbe do a suitable unit for under£600 and a set of modified drive
shafts wont cost the earth! was just wondering where any complications may occur later in the build?
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afj
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| posted on 19/3/10 at 09:37 AM |
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Second hand parts of this very forum will be few and far between, there are allways pinto/zetec bits n pieces not many honda parts good luck with
build tho it will be worth it in the end
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daniel mason
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| posted on 19/3/10 at 09:45 AM |
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never thought of it like that but there are not many honda parts on the car really!
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iank
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| posted on 19/3/10 at 10:00 AM |
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I think you've got the S2000 parts very cheaply if you got everything you needed for £800.
With reverse boxes BEC are looking less attractive financially in the current environment, and have rarely been accused of being low budget
installs.
The hidden costs of using unusual stuff are generally the pain of getting a gearbox mounted on properly (and the costs of a gearbox if a Type9
can't hack the power), new sumps, bespoke headers (exhaust and inlet) and going a bit mad getting them tuned/silicone hosed before they've
turned a wheel. So I suspect you've avoided most of those if you just need an ECU.
For custom driveshafts its worth talking to Berrisford as they have an excellent reputation - if the grassers can't break them they should be
fine for all sane road/track uses
http://www.berrisford.co.uk/index.php?cPath=45&osCsid=jkmf56q1ju2qfe72fv2jaa58g6
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daniel mason
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| posted on 19/3/10 at 10:08 AM |
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thanks once again iank. a very useful contact. need honda flange at diff end of shaft and sierra on outer side!
will use modified sierra shafts
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alistairolsen
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| posted on 19/3/10 at 10:33 AM |
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For instance in my project:
using Mx5 hubs seemed a good idea, but bearings come as part of a £90 replacement hub....
Wheels are 4x100 et 45 so nothing existing fits, meaning every set (3) of wheels will be several hundred quid.
Choice of volvo engine means I need highline bodywork, fine if you select the right kit but means ebay bodywork wont fit.
daft things you dont think of but they all cause issues!
My Build Thread
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daniel mason
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| posted on 19/3/10 at 11:15 AM |
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bought an mnr with race front end, its pre made to carry my engine,box and diff!
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mcerd1
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| posted on 19/3/10 at 12:24 PM |
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have you thought about using the stock ECU / loom ?
it needs modified to work - there are a couple of kits in the US that use whole car as a donor and I'm sure at least one of them uses the stock
ECU with a few mods
(which the do for some $$ - basicaly tricking it into thinking its still in a honda)
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eddie99
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| posted on 19/3/10 at 01:22 PM |
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With regards to the last post, i was also going down the stock Ford ECU route but eventually gave in. Maybe worth checking into whether its been done
for the Honda and how easy it is to get hold of the info.
Regards
Ed
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D Beddows
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| posted on 19/3/10 at 02:43 PM |
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lol, just to be a bit of a tinker another hidden cost might be your pride  as I recall another member who built an S2000 engined car which was
supposed to be quite errr 'rapid' was outpaced by a 750MC Locost with a 1300cc xflow round Cadwell...... 
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franky
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| posted on 19/3/10 at 02:54 PM |
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You might think not using a regular type engine it's going to cost more however it means you don't have to pay the 'mark up'
on parts either. For example a replacement LSD will not cost you much, better engineered parts with more modern technology too.
The only down side is shiny parts cost more!
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iank
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| posted on 19/3/10 at 04:05 PM |
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One more thing, general hidden costs people often forget about and don't get included in kits. A good way to estimate that seems to work is do
an estimate and add 50%.
IVA+any retest fees
DVLA fees
1 year Tax
Oil engine+gearbox+diff
Antifreeze
Brake fluid
Brake pads+shoes
Glue's
Solvents
Random Nuts+Bolts+Rivets+clips
IVA Trim
Bolt covers
That 6" bit of steel/aluminium/nylon you need on a Sunday and get from B&Q
All adds up ferociously especially if you're buying stuff mail order with £2-5 postage every time.
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iank
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| posted on 19/3/10 at 04:06 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by D Beddows
lol, just to be a bit of a tinker another hidden cost might be your pride as I recall another member who built an S2000 engined car which was
supposed to be quite errr 'rapid' was outpaced by a 750MC Locost with a 1300cc xflow round Cadwell......
Comparing a race tuned car that's been properly set up for the track with a road car isn't fair no matter how inferior the engine seems.
That's before you compare drivers 
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morcus
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| posted on 19/3/10 at 04:27 PM |
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Sorry If someone else has said this and I've missed it but the main advantage to doing what everyone else is doing is theres a wealth of
experience out there, If you do something different you have to work everything out your self which can cause costly mistakes.
The other hidden cost is time, because of the above it will likely take longer.
In a White Room, With Black Curtains, By the Station.
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daniel mason
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| posted on 19/3/10 at 04:32 PM |
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am not too fussed about how quick it will be round a track! if i was then i would have kept my evo8! love the honda engine,and cant wait to get it
running. it will be set up for road use only.
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RK
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| posted on 19/3/10 at 09:09 PM |
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Please consider my advice here:
It is much much MUCH more difficult to go beyond the proven. If you are going to do things well, they will cost, or look like crap. You may want to
design your own space shuttle, but NASA probably has a bit of an edge on development, if you can see where I'm going with this.
If I were doing it again (ha ha ha), I'd go Ford Zetec because everyone has done the hard work and I'd just follow abundant advice, and
the path to cheap parts!!!
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