AdrianH
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| posted on 21/4/10 at 06:55 PM |
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What class would my car be in Sprints and Hill Climbs?
If anyone on here is into sprints/Hill climbs, I would be interested to know which class a book type roadster would be? My brain can not work it
out.
Here is a link to the MSA website section.
http://www.msauk.org/uploadedfiles/m...nts,%20etc.pdf
There is a sprint at Aintree this weekend I may pop down and have a word with the scrutineers, if they could spare a few minutes.
If I knew what class the car is in I could then determine what work would be needed.
It would be cheaper to do a track day looking at costs, but interesting to know nevertheless.
Cheers
Adrian
Why do I have to make the tools to finish the job? More time then money.
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mookaloid
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| posted on 21/4/10 at 07:09 PM |
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What spec is your car? BEC? - CEC engine size?
"That thing you're thinking - it wont be that."
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JimSpencer
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| posted on 21/4/10 at 07:16 PM |
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Hi
If you come and find me - look for a black Sylva Striker, number 30 - i'll quite happily take you through the entire process of catagories,
classes and how the day works etc.
There are only a couple of potential classes for your car - as it's definatly specialist production, and assuming its roadgoing then that will
mean class 2A or 2B (though class numbers sometimes vary from organiser to organiser the class description remains the same) depending on engine
size.
It's more a case of what will you need to do to it, to compete in it - and the answer is generally a lot less than folk think!
[Edited on 21/4/10 by JimSpencer]
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AdrianH
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| posted on 21/4/10 at 08:04 PM |
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The car is a CEC 1800 cc. Now I thought looking at the Liverpool Motor club supplementary regulations I could be in class 2B, Then I read the heading
of that section as being Road going production cars and later in the SR's, Appendix 1 under classes 2A to 2D that 2A and 2B, that they must have
a windscreen fitted. But if BEC (2C) or Road going specialist cars 2D they do not.
In the same section, Appendix 1 under classes 2A to 2D it goes on to say that Exhaust systems must include a working Catalytic converter on all cars
manufactured after 31st December 1999.
Now my car does not and as a road going car does not need it as it is age related, but was manufactured in 2009?
Finally reading section B Nomenclature and Definitions of the blue book I could consider my car as a Sports racing car on page 64. But that is not a
class on the sprint!
So I am struggling to determine what class I should consider the car.
Adrian
[Edited on 21-4-10 by AdrianH]
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iank
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| posted on 21/4/10 at 08:22 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by AdrianH
In the same section, Appendix 1 under classes 2A to 2D it goes on to say that Exhaust systems must include a working Cataliic converter on all cars
manufacturered after 31st december 1999.
That's a new MSA requirement, I think, for this year. (they tried to introduce it a few years ago but the screams made them postpone the
introduction).
If you want to be competitive you'll probably end up biting the bullet and fitting one.
--
Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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JimSpencer
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| posted on 21/4/10 at 08:23 PM |
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Hi
Ahh yup Liverpool do have a BEC class and the 'catch all' class.
Was assuming it was a CEC.
That car should be in 2B or the catch all.
For 2B you will need a screen - as you would for all speed events in the North West of the UK.
All cars competing in a road going condition manufactured after 2000 require a CAT - MSA rulling, has nowt to do with the engine date / SVA / IVA etc
etc.
Forget Sports Libre that's a different world.
As per your first post coming along to an event is your best bet, much easier to explain by showing you the differences.
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AdrianH
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| posted on 21/4/10 at 08:33 PM |
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I may still come along but the way I read it it would mean the idea of sprint is definitely out for me.
The roadster is my first kit car and I kept it simple really with the idea of doing runs in it and having general fun, I guess I stick autosolo or try
a few track days.
I really do not understand why a BEC could do without windscreen but CEC has to have one, but them's the rules I guess.
Thanks for the input.
Adrian
[Edited on 21-4-10 by AdrianH]
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JimSpencer
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| posted on 21/4/10 at 08:41 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by AdrianH
II really do not understnad why a BEC could do without windscreen but CEC has to have one but them's the rules I guess.
Hi
It's because (so I'm lead to believe) that the class is 'Specialist Production' and although it accomodates kits, it's
not just for them.
If you have a look at the turn key market (westfields, Caterhams etc etc) then the CEC's generally did come with a screen and the BEC's
generally didn't / dont.
The CAT's are IMHO a sop to the green brigade but the date does rougly tie into the mandatory introduction of them into production cars.
But do come along and have a day out, you'll find out loads and it'll all be much clearer - plus i've heard it on the grapevine that
the screen reg is possibly going to be binned at the end of this season - so at least you'll know what you need to do over next winter 
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AdrianH
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| posted on 21/4/10 at 10:01 PM |
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What does it cost for a spectator to visit and watch then any clues?
Adrian
Found it £5.00
[Edited on 21-4-10 by AdrianH]
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norfolkluego
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| posted on 21/4/10 at 10:05 PM |
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Interesting discussion this.
We sprint down here in the south east in a Luego built about 5 years ago but with an age related E plate. No cat or screen and pass scrutineering like
that in class A6. Really can't see why there are still these differences in interpretation as the MSA have now tidied up the class structures.
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AdrianH
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| posted on 21/4/10 at 10:41 PM |
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There is no A6 listed on what I have?
Looking at the anwcc.org web page and following on to link for the Aintree spring spring the following page does seem to suggest to me there is a
North/South divide.
[Edited on 21-4-10 by AdrianH]
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norfolkluego
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| posted on 21/4/10 at 11:03 PM |
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Down here (taken from Supplementary Regs)
Class A5/A6 = Road Going Kit and Replica Cars (including Caterham, Westfield, Sylva, Fisher and Lotus 7, Exige, Elise and 340R, Vauxhall 220, X-Bow
and similar types/derivatives of these cars)
A5=Up to 1700cc
A6=1701cc and over
Last year these were classes C6 and C7
[Edited on 21/4/10 by norfolkluego]
[Edited on 21/4/10 by norfolkluego]
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JimSpencer
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| posted on 22/4/10 at 07:55 AM |
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Hi
Yup class numbers can vary from event to event - that's quite normal.
Does it from venue to venue, event to event - the descriptions normally stay pretty much the same.
And yup there is currently a North / South divide on screens.
But you're doing well on the CATs - say nowt in case anybody noticies!
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ali f27
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| posted on 22/4/10 at 09:36 AM |
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Ive tried and failed to enter becuase of screen says in blue book windscreens are free if i took my aero screen of and ran with no screen would that
work they are keeping a lot of road cars from competing
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AdrianH
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| posted on 22/4/10 at 04:23 PM |
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ali f27
May I ask if you car has a CAT fitted?
Adrian
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