daniel mason
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| posted on 18/6/11 at 07:38 PM |
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nothing compares to a caterham
went to barbon speed hill climb today where there was several 7's,but one that stood out by far was the caterham hayabusa. its lines were so
superior,as well as its poise, and stance.
along with that,the engineering and workmanship on the car were awesome.and just by looking at it,you could tell it was gonna be very quick in its
class.
it was way faster than any of the other 7 style cars,and i know the driver may have had something to do with it, but it really was very quick,very
very well planted in the bends and just looked superb. i left before the final timed run but on the previous run it clocked 25.60 seconds which was 4
hundredths of the fastet time ever recorded on the hill in that class. and as the hill was drying out, i reckon it will have beaten that time on its
last run. as a comparison the 300+ bhp imrezzas etc were clocking around 30 secs with a 430 bhp evo6 around 27 secs
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CRAIGR
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| posted on 18/6/11 at 07:47 PM |
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Amazng what an oversize wallet will buy you.
Gonna swop forums Dan ?
[Edited on 18/6/11 by CRAIGR]
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daniel mason
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| posted on 18/6/11 at 07:49 PM |
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am not swapping forums mate. are you?
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CRAIGR
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| posted on 18/6/11 at 07:50 PM |
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What for ? Can't get better than this no matter how much your catering van is.
[Edited on 18/6/11 by CRAIGR]
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daniel mason
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| posted on 18/6/11 at 07:53 PM |
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i know. thats why im a locostbuilder. but i reckon for the price mine has cost me, i could have bought that 1999 caterham busa!
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Dangle_kt
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| posted on 18/6/11 at 08:40 PM |
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apart from the lines etc. the reason it was probably better was that is cost £££, so the guy didn't mind throwing even more £££ at it to get it
set up right etc.
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daniel mason
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| posted on 18/6/11 at 09:14 PM |
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^^^ total bull sh*t
the reason it was better was because it was better! it was a 1999 caterham against near new westy's etc. it was a quality car which was set up
properly. had 196 bhp so not had masive money spent on engine.
there was imprezas and evos etc whth £50k plus spent on them and the sub £15k caterham destroyed them. why is there such a bad perception of caterham
owners?
i talked to the guy for over an hour and he was probably the nicest guy i talked to today. hes had work done by mnr and daytuner.(the same companys we
use) wtf is the problem?
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CRAIGR
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| posted on 18/6/11 at 09:34 PM |
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Sub 15k caterham with a busa running 196 bhp i would doubt that.
Would also bet a sub 10k busa mnr,mk,fisher in the right hands would lick a double the the weight and more bhp evo etc in the right circumstances..
Unfortunately in my experience a lot of caterham owners don't have a barking clue about what they're actually driving as they just get
someone else to sort their cars for them unlike the likes of locostbuilders who struggle along themselves
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beaver34
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| posted on 18/6/11 at 09:41 PM |
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I agree you with, great cars and worth the money they fetch
If I could afford a rolling chassis of one i would go for it and fit my engine to it
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scootz
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| posted on 18/6/11 at 10:03 PM |
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A Cat with a Busa engine is a pretty rare beastie and would be considered a bit of a 'frankenstein' in Caterham-land where original is
king! It might not therefore be as valuable as you would think.
It's Evolution Baby!
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franky
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| posted on 18/6/11 at 10:42 PM |
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I completely understand the Caterham thing. When I did the sums, which I did about 5 times I worked out that I could have bought a circa 10 year old
road sport with a poverty spec.
The clean lines come from having an ally body, some kits still have them.
I know which i'd prefer to have.
[Edited on 18/6/11 by franky]
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daniel mason
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| posted on 18/6/11 at 10:50 PM |
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i would bet a well set up cross flow caterham would be more than a match for most 7's
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Steve Hignett
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| posted on 18/6/11 at 11:18 PM |
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Caterham's are superior...
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Doctor Derek Doctors
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| posted on 18/6/11 at 11:38 PM |
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spiderman
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| posted on 19/6/11 at 12:23 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by daniel mason
^^^ total bull sh*t
the reason it was better was because it was better! it was a 1999 caterham against near new westy's etc. it was a quality car which was set up
properly. had 196 bhp so not had masive money spent on engine.
there was imprezas and evos etc whth £50k plus spent on them and the sub £15k caterham destroyed them. why is there such a bad perception of caterham
owners?
i talked to the guy for over an hour and he was probably the nicest guy i talked to today. hes had work done by mnr and daytuner.(the same companys we
use) wtf is the problem?
Why all the agression?
Everone is entitled to their own opinion, if we were all the same and all agreed with eachother the world would be a very boring place to live. Why
not agree to differ and live and let live?
I like both Caterhams and other types of Se7ens It's all a matter of personal taste and what we can afford.
All the best to everyone in all their endevours.
Spider
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franky
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| posted on 19/6/11 at 04:46 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by daniel mason
i would bet a well set up cross flow caterham would be more than a match for most 7's
I guess most of it comes down to getting set-up, I'm sure you'll be getting your car set-up properly? Once you've done that
i'd put my money on yours over an old crossflow
Spending an extra £1k or so to get your/any 7 really sorted surely would make it at least an equal?
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scudderfish
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| posted on 19/6/11 at 08:00 AM |
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It could also be that he was just better at driving than the rest. Back in my Elise days I watched someone with a 230+bhp supercharged Elise (before
Lotus started doing it themselves) get blown into the weeds by someone running a bog standard 120 bhp K series Elise because he could actually drive
it.
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scootz
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| posted on 19/6/11 at 08:32 AM |
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I have to  at the myth that all Caterham owners have a personal mechanic who fettles their car before Sir takes it out for his yearly spin!
Most owners are fanatical, know their onions and are handy enough with a spanner!
As for the 'product'. A Caterham kit handles straight-out-of-the-boxes it was delivered in! The same cannot be said for a LOT of
seven-clone kits!
It's Evolution Baby!
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orton1966
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| posted on 19/6/11 at 09:12 AM |
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Yes Better Engineered
Truth is, and many don’t like to hear it, Caterams are better engineered and the product has been more highly developed (because of time in
production) than almost any kit, 7 or otherwise!
Yes the’re are some other good products out there and everyone has to conider value for money or how much work they want to do themselves but to
naively say “the guy only winning because he’s spent more money” just sounds like sour grapes.
We all spend our money’s and make’s our choice’s
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Wadders
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| posted on 19/6/11 at 09:39 AM |
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Thats a brave title to post on here ! and sure to start a bunfight, but i do agree with you
they do handle well. A good basic design with years of development.
As for the owners, like any other walk of life a percentage will be c*cks
but I reckon a lot of the trouble stems from penis envy........
Al.
quote:
Originally posted by daniel mason
nothing compares to a caterham
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daniel mason
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| posted on 19/6/11 at 09:54 AM |
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am not trying to cause a row. i was just stating that the caterham looked and went better than any of the others there!
like you say its down to budget and i do understand they cost more than others. there is nothing wrong with my mnr,or any other kit manufacturers,and
i wouldnt hesitate to build another one.
but the caterham looked superb.and the owner certainly new his 'onions'
[Edited on 19/6/11 by daniel mason]
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imp paul
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| posted on 19/6/11 at 10:07 AM |
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its always good to know your 'onions'  thats what i say dan lol
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probablyleon
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| posted on 19/6/11 at 10:36 AM |
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I'll start by playing devil's advocate and say my personal favourite of all the seven variants has always been the Caterham / series 3
Lotus. I've always felt that the lines and ratios are 'just right' and difficult to improve on, which is probably why the
'seven' has been so popular and successful for so long. Maybe if it had it not been for the Westfield / Caterham litigation thing more
'sevens' would be closer to Caterham's design than they are today.
That said... Surely in an area of the car world that is so defined by modularity and modification the '??? is better than ??? argument' is
almost pointless. If you need better brakes, get better brakes. If you want better suspension improve the components, and more importantly set it up
right etc etc. Even Caterham owners have to do this. I'm sure when Colin Chapman first rolled up to Le Mans most of the cars on the grid were
'better engineered and developed' but it didn't stop Lotus from doing a fair amount of 'arse kicking'.
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RK
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| posted on 19/6/11 at 01:28 PM |
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Most people who know anything, know that the Caterham is a great car. That's why we want to build copies of it.
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mistergrumpy
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| posted on 19/6/11 at 01:58 PM |
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Mine's a copy (well slightly butchered copy) of a Lotus 7 not a Caterham.
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