jabbahutt
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| posted on 30/11/11 at 08:39 AM |
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council tax reduction
Morning all
Quick question for the LCB's. I drove past the public sector strikers at this hospital this morning to drop off my daughter on the way to work.
If the majority of public sector workers are on strike then they're obviously not providing all the services we pay council tax for.
So can anyone else think of a situation where you have to pay for services even when they're not provided without getting some sort of refund?
Maybe everytime public sector workers strike we should strike by deducting the same number of days council tax from that months payment.
just a thought
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D Beddows
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| posted on 30/11/11 at 08:58 AM |
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At least they were actually out protesting - I have no problem whatsoever with people striking if they feel they have a just cause....... however I
drove past 4 schools on the way to work with not a sign of any protests/stikers outside a single one. I do have a problem with people protesting by
having a lie in, watching a bit of Escape To Bargain Homes In The Attic then doing a bit of Christmas shopping. If you're not involved in some
kind of actual protest then you should be in work imho 
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Agriv8
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| posted on 30/11/11 at 09:16 AM |
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Yes 90% of my Road TAX not going on Roads !!!!!!!!!!!
 
Regards
Agriv8
Taller than your average Guy !
Management is like a tree of monkeys. - Those at the top look down and see a tree full of smiling faces. BUT Those at the bottom look up and see a
tree full of a*seholes .............
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tegwin
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| posted on 30/11/11 at 09:46 AM |
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Its an interesting one..... teachers dont need to "picket"... they are sending out a very strong message by simply forcing the school to
close... all those children will be causing havoc up and down the country today!
It is a bit daft though isnt it, the Gov want public sector workers to be paid less, work longer and get less pension.... by the time I get to
retirement age I dont exepct to recieve any pension atall at this rate!
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cliftyhanger
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| posted on 30/11/11 at 09:50 AM |
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I have no issues with them not protesting beyond with-holding their labour. After all they are not getting paid while they are striking, so I
don't see why they can't do whatever they like. Some feel the need to protest, others go and do something useful (like work on their
car)
As for tax refunds, I think you would find it impossible to work out exactly which services had been denied, and what proportion of you taxes that
represents. Then you will be told "No"
I do genuinely feel for the public sector workers. I am a supply teacher, so only get paid for the exact hours I work, before anybody makes any
comments. I was told the day I was supposed to be working today has been cancelled, so I miss a days pay too. But that is fine.
The trouble is the last government increased the size of the public sector enormously, and of course they expected the jobs to be a secure and the
pensions all as they were when they started work. To then be told no pay rise for a year, and now it looks like 1% for the 2 following years, plus
working later, plus reduced pensions, all seems very unfair. However, SOMETHING does need to give.
I like the idea of pensions based on career average (I have always hated the way a few get massive promotions a year or 2 before retiring to vastly
increase the pension size)
I do worry that, in my area of knowledge at least, teachers do get worn out as they get to 60, and are not as effective. There needs to be a way of
using that experience. Maybe use the older teachers for A levels, but that is ageist. Or into school management, teacher training or whatever. The
same must apply to the police/fire/ambulance etc services. You dont want a 65 year old fighting fires or chasing a scroat down the street. It all
needs serious and intelligent ideas. But it will take a long time to happen. Meanwhile, people will take the legal and correct route to voice their
opinions, and hopefully it will remain peaceful.
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jabbahutt
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| posted on 30/11/11 at 10:03 AM |
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It's not just the public sector though who are suffering though. Everyone is having their retirement age put back and as for not getting a pay
rise for a year then a measly 1% & 2% there are plenty in the private sector who haven't had a salary increase for 4 years.
I bet there are plenty of people currently seeking employment who'd jump at the chance of a public sector job with current restrictions and
count themselves lucky.
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cliftyhanger
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| posted on 30/11/11 at 10:39 AM |
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Indeed. As I have always said to those who bemoan teachers holidays, become one! however, the usual response is "couldn't afford to"
or some other excuse. People should apply for public sector jobs, however, at the moment I think the number of PS employees really needs to drop by
20%
I have never said it is just the public sector, but NOBODY likes having things taken away, and to make that feeling known is a right. I think we need
to be more like the French, and make our feelings known about things rather than just moan
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 30/11/11 at 10:42 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by tegwin
Its an interesting one..... teachers dont need to "picket"... they are sending out a very strong message by simply forcing the school to
close... all those children will be causing havoc up and down the country today!
It is a bit daft though isnt it, the Gov want public sector workers to be paid less, work longer and get less pension.... by the time I get to
retirement age I dont exepct to recieve any pension atall at this rate!
By the time I get to retirement age I expect retirement age to be 85 and I'll drop dead at 79...
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skippad
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| posted on 30/11/11 at 11:45 AM |
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Its funny how the local shopping centre was extra busy this morning...
A mates missus who works for a local council, said she had to get up earlier to get to the Metro Centre before all the other public sector
"workers" got there... what a joke...on us...
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 30/11/11 at 06:41 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by jabbahutt
It's not just the public sector though who are suffering though. Everyone is having their retirement age put back and as for not getting a pay
rise for a year then a measly 1% & 2% there are plenty in the private sector who haven't had a salary increase for 4 years.
I bet there are plenty of people currently seeking employment who'd jump at the chance of a public sector job with current restrictions and
count themselves lucky.
Of course there are, no doubt some are willing to work for less than minimum wage too, then the standard of working rights goes down from there.
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steve m
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| posted on 30/11/11 at 06:56 PM |
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I do love all the hype, especialy as Heathrow will come to a standstill, even be closed for 24 hours
Yet today, Virgin atlantic (up to 1850z) ALL of our departures are either early or on time
thats a first!!!
(i do work for Virgin atlantic)
Steve
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Paul (Notts)
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| posted on 30/11/11 at 08:11 PM |
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quote:
A mates missus who works for a local council, said she had to get up earlier to get to the Metro Centre before all the other public sector
"workers" got there... what a joke...on us...
Whats the joke ? I dont get it..
or is it no pay riswe for 3 years ( I understand that)
the only 1% not the 2% that we had agreed. (OK times are still bad - due to this goverment )
Change to average earnings - ok no problems Ill take a knock.
get less - ( starting to to get a little  )
pay in a lot more ( This is just a tax to help the government - it does not pay my pension fund)
Work till I am 67 - not possible as a teacher in a state school.
Paul ( pissed off teacher with 22 years experience)
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perksy
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| posted on 30/11/11 at 08:49 PM |
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Just my 2p
I work in the NHS and was on strike today
Trust me this is the last thing any of us wanted to do
However negotiations have been going on for over 10 months now and have come to a stand still
The government have kept certain figures from the unions which hasn't helped with forming accurate calculations
There has also been alot of Boll*x spoken in the press, Don't beleive all you read about 'gold plated' pensions
It ain't true
The NHS pension doesn't have a normal pension 'pot' all our money goes directly to the government
Independent auditors have stated that public sector pensions ARE sustainable it just that the government are in the s**t and need the extra funds
Alot of us except that we won't earn as much as we could in the private sector, but this is balanced against a pension that used to be better
than in the private sector
Also i provide an on-call service over 16 hours (including during the night) for £17.70 stand-by
Would anybody else fancy doing that ?
Like i said just my 2p...
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 1/12/11 at 08:01 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by perksy
Independent auditors have stated that public sector pensions ARE sustainable it just that the government are in the s**t and need the extra funds
And as I keep saying now's the worst time for them to be grasping those extra funds, it just makes things worse.
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Alfa145
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| posted on 1/12/11 at 08:51 AM |
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And how is making people work till 67 going to help anything? It just means older people will stay in jobs longer and younger people can't move
into those jobs for an extra 2 years, therfore more benifits are paid over the 2 years.
Not sure who will want a 67 year old computer programmer in the future.....
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perksy
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| posted on 1/12/11 at 05:20 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Alfa145
And how is making people work till 67 going to help anything? It just means older people will stay in jobs longer and younger people can't move
into those jobs for an extra 2 years, therfore more benifits are paid over the 2 years.
Not sure who will want a 67 year old computer programmer in the future.....
Indeed and also under the current Government proposals for the NHS a Nurse born after 1990 will have to work
until they are 70 years old
So there's a thought, a Nurse on a Zimmer frame looking after patients...
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Peteff
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| posted on 1/12/11 at 06:49 PM |
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A lot of the people who don't have jobs are not working because they are comfortable without working so are not motivated to. So the people who
are working are going to have to stay in work to support them in the manner to which they have become accustomed.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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Alfa145
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| posted on 1/12/11 at 08:28 PM |
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And alot of people who want jobs can't get them because people are staying in jobs longer and longer.....
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