monck
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 posted on 27/1/13 at 12:27 PM |
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Whats the crack with average speed camras ?
Right hello everyone ,
Im talking about average speed checks (Yellow cameras) for slower speed limits on motorways due to road works ...
Reason being ...
Last week was driving from Cheshire to Dorset on the motorway i go in to a 50mph zone on 2 occasions enforced by these cameras due to road works ect
.. As a result i slow to 50 in the slow lane ...
As per usual soon start getting overtook by lorrys ect and the plenty of idiots doing still over 70 mph ...
Whats the deal do they not work ? Surely cant if everyone's at it ?
Im trying to keep a clean licence as not long got rid of my 3 points 
Ryan
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PSpirine
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| posted on 27/1/13 at 12:43 PM |
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I've never met anyone that's been fined by a average speed camera.
Mind you, the M25 variable speed limit cameras also apparently issued not a single ticket in 2012.
One thing the long stretches of 50mph averages speed zones DO achieve is epic fuel economy..
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Ben_Copeland
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| posted on 27/1/13 at 12:45 PM |
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Most people will push it to just under 60mph. (hence lorries overtaking at 57)
Most cars mean they are actually travelling at 57 or 54 for lorries, which is within the maximum speed set on the cameras.
I will usually go through at 55
If your sitting at 50 means your doing 47 really as speedos over read by 3-5mph
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Ben_Copeland
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| posted on 27/1/13 at 12:48 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by PSpirine
I've never met anyone that's been fined by a average speed camera.
Mind you, the M25 variable speed limit cameras also apparently issued not a single ticket in 2012.
One thing the long stretches of 50mph averages speed zones DO achieve is epic fuel economy..
Becareful on the dartford bridge/tunnel stretch. They DO give tickets as a mate got one. 70 in a 60 approaching tunnel tolls
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coozer
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| posted on 27/1/13 at 12:54 PM |
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I know someone who got done on the M62 averaging 59mph.
IMO its bet just to stick to 50mph obeying the law.
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Proby
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| posted on 27/1/13 at 01:02 PM |
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My old boss got done twice in a month on the M6 works average speed cameras a few years back, do they do work.
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HowardB
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| posted on 27/1/13 at 01:03 PM |
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get a roadangle and eliminate doubt,...
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Sloan85
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| posted on 27/1/13 at 01:08 PM |
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I have been told by someone who works in traffic management that only one section of the average speed check can be active at a time. If there are 10
cameras on a stretch, only two (e.g. 3rd + 4th) can be active at one time. Not sure how true this though! I always slow down, i don't want to
take the risk.
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theduck
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| posted on 27/1/13 at 01:11 PM |
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Know someone who got done twice in a week on the m5 when the avg cameras were up.
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snapper
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| posted on 27/1/13 at 01:26 PM |
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There were ways of getting round average speed cameras, changing lanes was a way but now the computer systems can track you reg
It depends if you are a gambler or not
Be a bit harsh getting done for 9 mph over but would risk not slowing down at all?
Me, I stick to the speed limit through any speed camera area, average, spot or temporary
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carlknight1982
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| posted on 27/1/13 at 02:01 PM |
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I got done at 2:30am on a Saturday morning between dart ford toll and the m11 when the average speed cameras were there 59 in the 50 limit
Logic will get you from a A to B
Imagination will take you everywhere.
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wilkingj
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| posted on 27/1/13 at 02:08 PM |
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Also be aware that a "section" covered by a Avergage Apeed camera may contain MORE than two cameras. Often three or possibly even four.
My old speed system showed them up as SPECS, and it surprised me after passing two cameras, it still said I was in the zone. Wasnt until after I had
passed the third camer it said I was out of the zone. SO beware if you havent got a road angel or whatever.
My tomtom, just shows the cameras, and not whether you are within the zone covered.
I agree... stick to the speed limit, and keep those points OFF yout licence.
Also be wary of changing lanes, assome of the newer cameras can cover more than one lane.
1. The point of a journey is not to arrive.
2. Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
Best Regards
Geoff
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 27/1/13 at 02:23 PM |
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OK the crack with the average cameras is people do get done by them, regularly.
They tend to have a slightly higher limit than single point cameras, by anecdotal evidence, but they still work.
Roadangels and the likes only know the location of the stetch of cameras that form a group (and even those are usually reported by users, not
officially registered, so open to inaccuracies), they have no idea if they're operational or not (you can tell if they are operational as their
IR illuminators glow dim red if the camera is active, but by the time you can see that you're already registered) but usually there are only two
on a stretch, but a stretch might be combined with another stretch almost immediately after to cover another area, so don't be fooled into a
false sense of security if you pass two.
Ultimately, they're there for a reason - usually a really REALLY short section of road, just use your common sense and slow down for the whole
section, then go on your way, rather than second-guessing the camera operation methods and layout to gain 30 seconds through a strip of road.
[Edited on 27/1/13 by coyoteboy]
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Slimy38
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| posted on 27/1/13 at 02:24 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by snapper
There were ways of getting round average speed cameras, changing lanes was a way but now the computer systems can track you reg
Having worked on ANPR systems I know how quickly and accurately the systems can read your number, whether you're mid lane-change or even hidden
behind a lorry! Although it is quite funny when they register '0000' when an A4 drives past... I can't comment on there only
being one section active at a time, from a technology point of view there's nothing stopping all cameras being active all the time and there is
no cost difference.
The M42 ones are the ones with the highest 'hit rate' that I know, there's quite a regular income coming from those just on their
own. The A14 ones around Cambridge aren't far behind. But Monck you are absolutely right, when I'm following the speed limits on the M6 or
M42 ones I feel like I'm the one holding up traffic.
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monck
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| posted on 27/1/13 at 03:01 PM |
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Cheers for the reply's so far very interesting , I just felt everyone was going faster because they knew something i didn't hence me being
overtaken so much ...
I noticed for some reason in the day its not as bad most stick to around 50 ish but at night ive seen car after car go well in excess of 70 in one of
these zones ... Do they assume the cameras don't work in the dark or something 
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chillis
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| posted on 27/1/13 at 03:31 PM |
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A good friend of mine was involved in the development and testing of the latest average speed check cameras. They can read your number plate and thus
track you even if you switch lanes. They calculate your average speed through the whole speed check area not just between cameras. A ticket is usually
triggered above 58 mph average so as not to generate loads of tickets for lorries going through on their speed limiters, so many lorries are foreign
and the drivers tend to be 'conveniently' difficult to trace
Keep to 50 or below and you're guaranteed not to get a ticket
Please note they are 'usually' triggered at 58mph but do not take this as guaranteed, I will not accept responsibility or claims for
compensation if this figure is proved wrong!
[Edited on 27/1/13 by chillis]
Never under estimate the ingenuity of an idiot!
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morcus
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| posted on 27/1/13 at 03:58 PM |
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Watch out for policemen in unmarked cars, they can ticket you at 51 in a 50, and more so they can keep you by the side of the road for an hour and see
if they can find anything else to do you for. Just stick to the limit, if other people want to overtake you at illegal speeds, so what.
The real question is why put up a sign infront of every camera on the M4 saying the camera is off.
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wilkingj
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| posted on 27/1/13 at 04:07 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by chillis
A good friend of mine was involved in the development and testing of the latest average speed check cameras. They can read your number plate and thus
track you even if you switch lanes. They calculate your average speed through the whole speed check area not just between cameras. A ticket is usually
triggered above 58 mph average so as not to generate loads of tickets for lorries going through on their speed limiters, so many lorries are foreign
and the drivers tend to be 'conveniently' difficult to trace
Keep to 50 or below and you're guaranteed not to get a ticket
Please note they are 'usually' triggered at 58mph but do not take this as guaranteed, I will not accept responsibility or claims for
compensation if this figure is proved wrong!
[Edited on 27/1/13 by chillis]
+1 on that.
However dont stick to 58mph... It could be a 50mph or even a 40mph section. Stick to the limit.
I have seen Specs sections at 40, 50, 60 and 70, mph.
There are several multi camera sections about, and some of the A14 is one of these (local to me).
Usual yardstick is speed + 10%. Cops will probably give you 2mph on top of that, as this is to ensure a definate conviction in court, ie no escape
route for people with clever lawyers!
Also I agree about people going faster than you.
I run upto 4 x GPS's in my car at times, ALL read the same, the speedo is upto 5mph different at some speeds.
I also can log my position and speed at various timing points. (Yep, I'm a bit of a Geek)
I use cruise control in specs sections, as your speed can creep up if you are not watching it all the time.
I am surprised that most cars are abt 3mph slow at 60mph.
Dont rely on your car being slow or fast unless you have carefully checked it all several different speeds.
Any points you get will not make your insurance any cheaper next year!
Just my 2d's worth.
1. The point of a journey is not to arrive.
2. Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
Best Regards
Geoff
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wilkingj
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| posted on 27/1/13 at 04:10 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by morcus
Watch out for policemen in unmarked cars, they can ticket you at 51 in a 50, and more so they can keep you by the side of the road for an hour and see
if they can find anything else to do you for. Just stick to the limit, if other people want to overtake you at illegal speeds, so what.
The real question is why put up a sign infront of every camera on the M4 saying the camera is off.
I am pretty sure they cannot do you for 1mph over the limit. Its speed + 10% as a minimum.
As the Camera not working signs, These are usually Roadworks related cameras, and they havent moved them when they are not needed anymore due to that
section of work being completed.
But as you say, safest to stick to the limit.
1. The point of a journey is not to arrive.
2. Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
Best Regards
Geoff
http://www.v8viento.co.uk
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puma931
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| posted on 27/1/13 at 05:07 PM |
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The M1 had them for over a year (gone now - Luton) and at first I used to stick to 50 and after a while 60 and never got a ticket. Some drivers would
do 70 and then brake for the average speed camera ??? And some would duck behind a HGV and then boot it.....idiots.
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beaver34
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| posted on 27/1/13 at 05:17 PM |
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They work
I it done on m62 57mph
Picture from first camera too
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 27/1/13 at 05:31 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by coyoteboy
Ultimately, they're there for a reason - usually a really REALLY short section of road,
Quite the opposite IME, as they tend to get erected for major road repairs. There were average speed cameras on the A38 for a long time that spanned
maybe 6 or 7 miles.
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JoelP
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| posted on 27/1/13 at 06:10 PM |
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I aim for an average of 62, and upto 70 if you've been held up between 2 cameras. Have been known to tuck in behind lorries but it's not
foolproof, you need to pass the lorry at the same time as the camera. Done it 100s of times with no tickets. Not too bothered about points as
I'm clean.
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Simon
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| posted on 27/1/13 at 06:34 PM |
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Just stick to the limit, it won't make a massive difference to your journey time and if you are unfortunate enough to be involved in an
accident, at least you'll have a clear conscience - though having driven to Heathrow area last week at 50 - 55 mph, I'd suspect most
accidents caused by boredom or dozing off.
I did get best part of 54mpg from the Espace though. Very happy with that
ATB
Simon
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 27/1/13 at 06:52 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by wilkingj
I am pretty sure they cannot do you for 1mph over the limit. Its speed + 10% as a minimum.
They can, the 10% thing is more of a "look we're not all barstewards we're giving you leeway here"
What gets me is how do you know they're accurate? I mean if they're a mile apart and I hit the first one at 5.00 doing 30mph, and 2
minutes later I hit the second one that sees me go past at 30mph (but at 5.01) then they'll register me doing 60 when I haven't
I ask as I've heard of a tractor driver going to court to show that his Massey Ferguson won't do 140 like the average cameras said.
It's possibly bs but how do we know?
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