scootz
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| posted on 11/3/13 at 04:54 PM |
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Air Cooled Engines
I guess every air-cooled engine is different, but how would 'most' fare if they were positioned out of the direct airstream... say behind
a leading bulkhead (with no sides)?
How did Porsche / VW manage to get away with sticking them in the back of vehicles?
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fazerruss
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| posted on 11/3/13 at 05:18 PM |
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quote:
How did Porsche / VW manage to get away with sticking them in the back of vehicles?
The same way Fiat did with the 125,126 
Ducting will be your solution 
"if assholes could fly this place would be an airport"
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fazerruss
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| posted on 11/3/13 at 05:21 PM |
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And the Fiat's had a big fan on back of alternator blowing air past the cylinders
"if assholes could fly this place would be an airport"
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scootz
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| posted on 11/3/13 at 05:22 PM |
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Cheers... I can do that!
I didn't know if they employed engine bay fans or the likes.
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scootz
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| posted on 11/3/13 at 05:23 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by fazerruss
And the Fiat's had a big fan on back of alternator blowing air past the cylinders
Lol... you must have posted that as I was in the middle of my last message!
Cheers.
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fazerruss
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| posted on 11/3/13 at 05:44 PM |
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technically speaking you could say these engines were super charged as some of the air from the fan was directed into the carb!
It made a spine shattering 16bhp or was it 26?!!
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scootz
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| posted on 11/3/13 at 05:47 PM |
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Ah.. so does that principle change when it's an ickle air-cooled bike-engine pumping out 150bhp and 100ft/lbs of torque???
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rdodger
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| posted on 11/3/13 at 05:56 PM |
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Could you fit a large ish oil cooler to help out?
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designer
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| posted on 11/3/13 at 06:06 PM |
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I'm going to use flexible ducting to direct air to the bike's radiator. But, if the bikes air cooled, I will use the same to direct air ro
the fins.
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britishtrident
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| posted on 11/3/13 at 06:22 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by fazerruss
quote:
How did Porsche / VW manage to get away with sticking them in the back of vehicles?
The same way Fiat did with the 125,126
Ducting will be your solution
Not the 125
Fiat 125 was a hot watercooled twincam longer wheelbase luxury version of of the 124 -- quite a nice motor but ooh the rust.
A re-engined version became the Polski-Fiat 125p which was even worse than the Lada.
[Edited on 11/3/13 by britishtrident]
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fazerruss
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| posted on 11/3/13 at 07:30 PM |
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Maybe I meant the fiat 500 (early one with the 500cc air cooled twin). I thought It was also known as the 125 preceeding the 126.
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clairetoo
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| posted on 11/3/13 at 08:23 PM |
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The 125 was a cortina sized four door car , with that fabulous twin cam engine (1.8 I think - I do remember it went and sounded nice )
Parents had one - JVG 171G - I wonder if its still out there somewhere.........doubt it somehow , it was starting to rust well at just four years
old........
Its cuz I is blond , innit
Claire xx
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whitestu
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| posted on 11/3/13 at 08:52 PM |
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Citroen GS engines were at the front, but the barrels were covered with metal ducting with all the air blown round by a crank mounted fan.
I should think it would work fine at the other end of a car.
Stu
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russbost
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| posted on 11/3/13 at 08:53 PM |
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The VW air cooled lumps also had a massive (probs 20" dia or thereabouts?) fan on the front of the engine which forced air thro' the
cylinder & head fins - this was all tightly ducted to ensure the air was driven through effectively, this fan was also used to drive air thro the
heat exchangers for the in car heating.
I would be very careful using an air cooled bike lump which was intended for use in the main airstream (remember bikes stay moving the vast majority
of the time too, they spend far less time stationary in traffic), just putting a fan in front of the engine probably won't be enough without
some very hard to create ducting to make it go where it's needed, if you can get some really big ducts into the airstream that might have a
chance of working.
All that said, most Japanese bike "air" cooled engines are actually much more oil cooled than air, so with a good airstream to the oil
cooler you'd probably be ok - I would suggest speak to someone who has used the type of engine in question in competition to get an idea of how
forgiving it is.
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scootz
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| posted on 11/3/13 at 10:27 PM |
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Cheers guys.
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Fishface
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| posted on 12/3/13 at 06:43 PM |
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i thought its said that people forget that vw engines get a lot of their cooling through the oil itself
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