jacko
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| posted on 12/12/21 at 05:20 PM |
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F1 could be a spoiler
So what do people think of the results of the world championship Max yes or no
[Edited on 12/12/21 by jacko]
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Slater
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| posted on 12/12/21 at 05:44 PM |
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very exciting race, I'm amazing they both stayed on track and finished. But sour grapes from the Merc management trying to protest & change
the results after the race...ongoing..... Both good and bad for the sport, I think. too much rests on stewards decisions these days. We were all
screaming at the TV on that last lap.
At least we get a new world champ.
Why do they call Port Harcourt "The Garden City"?...... Becauase they can't spell Stramash.
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femster87
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| posted on 12/12/21 at 06:18 PM |
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"sour grapes from the Merc management trying to protest".
Lool, its must be quite painful for them. I can feel their pain. Won't call it sour grapes, just the norm. Do you see how much Christian Horner
moans when a decision goes again Redbull
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JC
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| posted on 12/12/21 at 08:04 PM |
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Bad day for F1. The rice director made an arbitrary decision to bend the rules in a way that handed the title to Verstappen. Whatever happens now is
bad.
Hamilton was the best driver on the day and should have won the race. And don’t forget Max won Belgium under a similarly farcical full race safety
car…..
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BenB
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| posted on 13/12/21 at 08:27 AM |
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Absolute farce. Merc made the right call for a race run under the regulations. Masi invented new rules to create a "race" which was only
ever going to have one result. Ridiculous. Ending under the safety car would have been bad. What happened was just wrong- and way worse. Last race
I'm watching. Spa took the wee but this was a new level of stupid. It's clear Liberty/FIA want it to be a "show". I was
hoping for some racing. I'm hoping it goes to appeal, give some integrity back to the sport. It'll be messy but at some point
they've got to realise they're responsible for decades of motor racing legacy and while some of it is technical, boring or even just a
procession round a racetrack, spicing it up with flakey rule changes on the last lap is cheapening the sport beyond all recognition.
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russbost
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| posted on 13/12/21 at 09:21 AM |
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Once Masi decided to allow ONLY the 5 cars between Lewis & Max to pass there were only 2 possible outcomes to the race, that Max was going to win
it or that they were going to crash, as there was clearly no way Lewis on 40 lap old hard tyres was going to be able to mount any realistic defence to
the Red Bull on scrubbed super softs & no way that Max wasn't going to get past at whatever cost.
The race, at any other time in the season, would have ended under safety car
It's not a satisfactory result for anyone really, Lewis/Merc will always feel they were robbed & Max, if he has any inkling of reality will
know that effectively he's been gifted a title won by Lewis, the biggest loser is the sport .......
Great shame at the end of an incredible season's racing
[Edited on 13/12/21 by russbost]
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Jeano
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| posted on 13/12/21 at 09:24 AM |
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The season was amazing. I feel that has put a dampener on the entire thing to be honest. It just gone to entertainement and no sport i feel.
Red Bull - Sterling Job and well done to them although im not a fan of Max due to his general driving and attitude.
Mercedes - have every right to be angry
FIA - Joke, Masi should be fired. He made a decision that decided the Worlds Title. Like Rus said, once they restarted it was all over, i was
surprised Lewis was able to fight as much as he did.
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 13/12/21 at 10:11 AM |
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Frankly, I couldn't care less.
I haven't had any interest in F1 for many years - I would rather British Touring Cars, or any sort of professional bike racing. In other words,
any form of racing where the winner isn't so predictable.
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SJ
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| posted on 13/12/21 at 10:22 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
Frankly, I couldn't care less.
I haven't had any interest in F1 for many years - I would rather British Touring Cars, or any sort of professional bike racing. In other words,
any form of racing where the winner isn't so predictable.
Me too. Shame really
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designer
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| posted on 13/12/21 at 10:27 AM |
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If the result had been Lewis winning the same way it would be called a 'stroke of genius'. A lot of sour grapes going around.
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russbost
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| posted on 13/12/21 at 10:41 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by designer
If the result had been Lewis winning the same way it would be called a 'stroke of genius'. A lot of sour grapes going around.
I actually don't think that's true, the reason people are stoked about it is that Masi quite literally rewrote the rulebook & threw
all existing precedent out of the window simply to create a one lap "spectacle" which was only ever going to favour one driver & team.
Pretty sure people would be up in arms whichever way it went.
I think the whole concept of team bosses being able to "lobby" the FIA in real time emasculates them (the FIA) somewhat, Horner's
comment "we need to get those cars out of the way" referring to the lapped cars, was bang out of order, if they were going to get those
cars out of the way then they should have moved the rest of the lapped cars thro' as well (which is what precedent shows) in which case the
safety car would have been out for another lap & race would have ended under SC with Lewis as the winner
Had they left the lapped cars there, given that they'd be blue flagged & Max's propensity for seeing gaps where there aren't
any, I think he'd still have mounted a challenge, but it would at least have been a more even playing field!
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myke pocock
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| posted on 13/12/21 at 10:44 AM |
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Some people seem to have forgotten that Red Bull took a gamble and changed tyres. If they had both been on old tyres in the last lap then perhaps
Hamilton would have won. Give RB some credit for their gamble!!! Mercedes had the option as well.
Anyway why should I care. Ile stick to my own grass roots motorsport. Far more fun to be had.
[Edited on 13/12/21 by myke pocock]
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rdodger
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| posted on 13/12/21 at 10:59 AM |
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I don't think it's anything to do with either team or what they did during the race
I don't really like either driver and would rather see Williams win
The problem I have is Masi and the FIA didn't follow their own rules. Simple as that!
You can argue Red Bull did a great tactical job and they did
You can also argue that if Mercedes were aware Masi was going to not follow the rules they would have pitted Hamilton to new soft tyres and raced the
last lap.
The FIA are a disgrace.
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hughpinder
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| posted on 13/12/21 at 11:39 AM |
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I thought it was very poor. Yes Red Bull took a gamble switching to softs, and Mercedes didn't respond by slipping on softs too - you can
understand why not as they take a risk of some issue during the change handing the lead to Max. However, if they had known that the 5 cars that Max
needed to overtake before catching Hamiltom were going to be removed from the track before racing restarted, they would 100% have taken that chance.
Obviously Max on softs with 3 laps to scrub in and Hamilton on end of life hards there was at least 2 seconds/lap advantage to Max, - was no race at
all. Hamilton also had the disadvantage that a collision would hand the title to max (unless Max went out and he didn't) so a crash only
mattered one way.
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 13/12/21 at 01:32 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
Frankly, I couldn't care less.
I haven't had any interest in F1 for many years - I would rather British Touring Cars, or any sort of professional bike racing. In other words,
any form of racing where the winner isn't so predictable.
I used to think this but I've been drawn back in.
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Simon
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| posted on 13/12/21 at 01:39 PM |
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Like tax law, F1 has way too many rules.
Glad Max won, no idea what he's like as a person but ever since Hamilton emigrated "to escape the fans" to a tax haven I
couldn't give a feck what happens to him.
And, I really don't care about F1 either. Drivers are turning into a bunch of primadonnas (like football)
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Shooter63
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| posted on 13/12/21 at 10:46 PM |
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I think the whole situation is a joke, but I think we discovered something on Sunday, F1 is no longer a competition it is now entertainment, but we
shouldn't be surprised, its now no different to WWE with the winner rigged for TV . The way Horner has acted makes me feel ashamed to be
English, to call a fellow team principal names is pathetic, Masi is a man in over his head or on the take ( no doubt time will tell) , if Charlie
Whiting was still about he would have nipped the antics of both drivers in the bud and told both Horner and Wollf to F Off. If Max had any sort of
Honor he would have stayed behind Lewis as it was the right thing to do, I've just seen an interview with him and to be honest I thought he
looked embarrassed, he didn't win the championship he was given it.
Shooter
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BenB
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| posted on 13/12/21 at 10:50 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Shooter63
I think the whole situation is a joke, but I think we discovered something on Sunday, F1 is no longer a competition it is now entertainment, but we
shouldn't be surprised, its now no different to WWE with the winner rigged for TV . The way Horner has acted makes me feel ashamed to be
English, to call a fellow team principal names is pathetic, Masi is a man in over his head or on the take ( no doubt time will tell) , if Charlie
Whiting was still about he would have nipped the antics of both drivers in the bud and told both Horner and Wollf to F Off. If Max had any sort of
Honor he would have stayed behind Lewis as it was the right thing to do, I've just seen an interview with him and to be honest I thought he
looked embarrassed, he didn't win the championship he was given it.
Shooter
Shooting straight from the hip. Amen. Max should have stayed behind or MB should have just gone to the pits and stopped at the lights.
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JC
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| posted on 14/12/21 at 05:15 AM |
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The safety car has always disadvantaged the car in the lead. Maybe they should alter the rules - any safety car in the last 5-10 laps is an immediate
red flag, everyone can change tyres and have a standing restart. There’s your spectacle tor TV, and a more level playing field.
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Jeano
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| posted on 14/12/21 at 08:10 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by JC
The safety car has always disadvantaged the car in the lead. Maybe they should alter the rules - any safety car in the last 5-10 laps is an immediate
red flag, everyone can change tyres and have a standing restart. There’s your spectacle tor TV, and a more level playing field.
This! Exactly what i said. In a championship defining race they should have red flagged it and cleared the track we would have had 5 laps of fair good
racing. It would of wiped out hamiltons advantage but wouldnt have been like sending a man on crutches to a 100m sprint
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sebastiaan
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| posted on 14/12/21 at 09:44 AM |
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I'll just say two things about this ;-)
1) If a mediocre driver like Perez can keep Lewis behind him for a lap on fully worn softs, how come Lewis could not do the same with Max?
2) red flag would've been better indeed
Ok, maybe a two more...
3) team principals were both out of line many times during the season. But they have been given the room to do so with the 2-way comms. Luckily that
will be a thing of the past next year.
4) overall, I think Masi did a decent job given how much (time!) pressure he's under. And with all of the comms on full public display as well.
I surely could not have done better myself.
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Sanzomat
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| posted on 14/12/21 at 10:09 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by sebastiaan
1) If a mediocre driver like Perez can keep Lewis behind him for a lap on fully worn softs, how come Lewis could not do the same with Max?
I wouldn't say Perez is mediocre but I do get your point. I think some of Perez's blocking moves were borderline dangerous and if Hamilton
had forced the issue there would likely have been a crash thus handing the race (and championship) to Max hence Hamilton was wisely waiting for a safe
passing opportunity. When it was Max vs Lewis the difference was that if there had been a crash, even if both drivers were out of the race Max would
have still been champion so Hamilton had no reason to make risky blocking moves.
The other thing nobody has mentioned so far is that Hamilton got off very lightly with the stewards decision on the first lap. In any other race he
would have been deemed to have taken unfair advantage and had to give the place to Max. It was a torpedo lunge from Max there though...
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russbost
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| posted on 14/12/21 at 10:15 AM |
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"It was a torpedo lunge from Max there though..." - I think that's why the stewards went the way they did, Hamilton couldn't
have stayed on the circuit, had he done so Max would have hit him, there was no room left & I seem to racall there's supposed to be a
car's width?
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Slater
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| posted on 14/12/21 at 11:07 AM |
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One other thing..... well done to Channel 4 for getting the live coverage onto all our TV screens, same as they did when Emma Radacanu was in the US
Tennis Final. Whoever made those decisions needs a pat on the back.
Us Locost folk don't want to be paying sky subscriptions.....
Why do they call Port Harcourt "The Garden City"?...... Becauase they can't spell Stramash.
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sdh2903
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| posted on 14/12/21 at 04:38 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by russbost
"It was a torpedo lunge from Max there though..." - I think that's why the stewards went the way they did, Hamilton couldn't
have stayed on the circuit, had he done so Max would have hit him, there was no room left & I seem to racall there's supposed to be a
car's width?
Lewis left the door open for him. At the apex max was ahead. So according to the rules its max's corner and as such he doesn't need to
leave space as long as he keeps it on track, Lewis should yield. Which he did technically but he did gain an advantage by going off. They were told to
give the gap back but I never saw them do it. Irrelevant really as the pace of hamilton was far superior anyway and would've taken the place
back easily.
Regarding the perez comments. There's a good few rumours going around that they short fuelled him to give him a better chance of supporting max,
hence the 'retirement'. Plus they were massively off the pace when they were tussling. Perez did a great job of positioning the car and
then with the lower downforce package could still briefly fight on the straights too.
Glad they've broken lewis' dominance, sad how it was engineered to happen.
The only thing consistent this season was the inconsistency.
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