David Jenkins
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| posted on 1/3/23 at 10:21 AM |
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Tesla model Y
My Kia Niro EV is in the menders at the moment to get its rear bumper fixed, after some bright spark drove into me. The insurers have arranged a
replacement EV car - a Tesla model Y dual motor! It's the only EV they had available at the time, and I wasn't complaining.
It's an amazing car, accelerates at a ridiculous and scary rate, it's comfortable and roomy - and I don't think I'd ever buy one,
even if I had a spare £60k.
EVERYTHING has to be done through the screen - it has auto wipers, but if you want to override that and set them to a speed of your choosing, you have
to go to the screen. The only way to open the glovebox is via the screen. There are quite a few other settings I would easily do in my Niro with
just the touch of a button or lever, but they require the screen in the Tesla. Basically, if you don't like 'auto' for everything,
it's a total PITA.
Even charging is a PITA - my home charger can give 7kW/h to both my Niro and to my wife's Zoe, but the Tesla will only take 3.5kW/h as it seems
to have decided that I must be using the granny charger. I'm asking advice on another forum where some people have Teslas and the same charger,
but at the moment I'm seriously peeved.
...I hate having control taken away from me...
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adampage
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 posted on 1/3/23 at 01:29 PM |
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I hear you, but....
Hey David
I've had a Model 3 for 3 years and just ordered a Model Y.
Agree on the good stuff - acceleration, range, usability, ease of use (a lot of the time), but it can be infuriating too, so i'm no fanboy!
I must admit i'm not bothered by glovebox (there's a storage box in the centre console if you want quick manual access so I rarely open the
glovebox), screen menu access can be a bit slow but not the end of the world, you can do a fair bit with the steering wheel controls & stalk like
cruise, volume, phone, etc, and i find once you're used to it like with any car/tool, it becomes easier, you might not notice in a week but over
time it becomes second nature. The build quality's not awesome on mine but it's quite early, the later ones seem better, not an Audi or Merc
but better.
The 2 things I don't like but can live with are:
- Cruise control is mostly very good (the old problem of over-cautious braking seems to be sorted on mine) BUT it insists on the wipers being set to
Auto so that it can keep the camera clean, and it occasionally wipes when dry, gets on my wick
- Only one person can operate the screen at once, so if my passenger is changing the music or heating or whatever, and I quickly need to see the sat
nav or something else I have to swat their hand away from the screen
But overall - it's been great, I average 5-7p/mile, my home charger works fine at 7kw, only ever had one delay on a public charger, been Midlands
to Aberdeenshire & back charging pretty easily, Midlands to Devon without stopping.
So overall I'd recommend it, but won't be buying a Tesla hat or t-shirt any time soon.....
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 1/3/23 at 03:04 PM |
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wow must be crazy fast, I couldn't be trusted with such a thing 
Great that you are getting to try out such an expensive car. I'd love a model 3, none of the others appeal as their all so huge and bulky. Still
not keen at all on the touch screen though, I will always prefer buttons and dials as they have always been the best option when your meant to be
looking at the road. I just rolled my eye's with the glove box FFS really?!
Our Leaf has been absolutely brilliant in everyway apart from the wife driving it most of the time now  EV's are fantastic cars.
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 1/3/23 at 03:11 PM |
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Yes, no part of me can cope with touchscreen only and no haptic feedback. It's becoming more common too. Change the fan setting - menu, menu,
click, click click. What's wrong with a knob? Something I don't have to look at to control. I'm genuinely surprised the regulators
allow it, there's no "getting used to" items buried deep in a menu/diagram system, you're always going to have to look.
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Slimy38
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| posted on 1/3/23 at 04:25 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by coyoteboy
Yes, no part of me can cope with touchscreen only and no haptic feedback. It's becoming more common too. Change the fan setting - menu, menu,
click, click click. What's wrong with a knob? Something I don't have to look at to control. I'm genuinely surprised the regulators
allow it, there's no "getting used to" items buried deep in a menu/diagram system, you're always going to have to look.
I had a C class nearly ten years ago and everything was done through the touchscreen. The problem is that the system crashed one time, so I was left
with heating that was blasting at full temperature, no wipers and no reverse sensors. I am just thankful that the radio was off at the time, not being
able to turn that off would have been a serious issue!!
Mercedes just said 'leave it for 8 hours'... thankfully that was how long I was in the office and it had resolved itself by hometime.
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 1/3/23 at 04:27 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
wow must be crazy fast, I couldn't be trusted with such a thing
Great that you are getting to try out such an expensive car. I'd love a model 3, none of the others appeal as their all so huge and bulky. Still
not keen at all on the touch screen though, I will always prefer buttons and dials as they have always been the best option when your meant to be
looking at the road. I just rolled my eye's with the glove box FFS really?!
Our Leaf has been absolutely brilliant in everyway apart from the wife driving it most of the time now EV's are fantastic cars.
Fast? 0 - 60 in 3.5 seconds! Not that I've tried it, as I don't want end up bending this car.
I had a type 2 Leaf - I believe that yours is a type 1 - and they introduced so many problems with the type 2. The managed to turn a perfectly
capable car into something with a string of problems...
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 1/3/23 at 04:29 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by coyoteboy
Yes, no part of me can cope with touchscreen only and no haptic feedback. It's becoming more common too. Change the fan setting - menu, menu,
click, click click. What's wrong with a knob? Something I don't have to look at to control. I'm genuinely surprised the regulators
allow it, there's no "getting used to" items buried deep in a menu/diagram system, you're always going to have to look.
I don't think that I could operate this car without looking at the screen, which is stupid. It would be impossible to learn to adjust things by
feel alone. Daft.
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nick205
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| posted on 1/3/23 at 04:58 PM |
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Went in a Mercedes taxi in the Netherlands (airport into Ansterdam) a few years back. Brand new car, nice a roomy, quiet, fast etc, etc.
The entire dashboard was one great big screen, not a single button, slider or dial around. The owner driver said it was a pleasant car to drive and
reasonably good economical on fuel. BUT massively infuriating to live with when it cam to adjusting anything you'd normally do without
looking.
Somethign to be said for tactile controls IMHO.
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myke pocock
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| posted on 1/3/23 at 08:20 PM |
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And just to think that they want people to go all electric. All this touch screen stuff does my head in although that could be because I am the wrong
side of 70!!! And I do know its not just electric cars that have touch screen. Hells bells. I find the dash on my 16 plate Kuga hard enough to
understand. What chance have I with this new crap. Thank god for the switches and knobs (not many too) on my Locost not to mention my Skoda Estelle
trials car.
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 2/3/23 at 07:40 AM |
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The difference with our own cars (Niro and Zoe) is that anyone who knows how to drive a petrol or diesel automatic could sit in either, get 30 seconds
of guidance, then drive off without problems (especially the Zoe). Some of the cars coming out of China in the next year or so are similar - no
frills or gadgets, just a basic electric car, but a LOT cheaper than what's currently available.
The EVs currently available in the UK tend to be expensive, big, and packed with junk that pushes the price up. If they don't start to produce
smaller basic cars (e.g. like the Fiesta) then the Chinese companies will wipe the floor with them.
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nick205
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| posted on 2/3/23 at 11:49 AM |
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Don't have an EV (not driving due to epilepsy) and SWMBO's car is petrol.
When I sold my Passat as I wasn't allowed to drive it the EPB (Electronic Parking Brake) totally baffled the guy that bought it. It took me
several tutorials to get him moving off from outside my house when he came to get the car.
He'd never encountered such a thing before!
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 2/3/23 at 01:27 PM |
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Haha I've just been thwarted by my push-to-start car with a starter failure - you can't bump start it because there's safety interlocks
on the clutch - if it's not in "start" mode with the clutch depressed, it won't start. So you have to push, jump in, put it in
gear, "on, start" and lift the clutch *just* enough to engage the engine but not trigger the "clutch lifted" switch or it will
terminate the start sequence and not fire regardless of being "on" and rotating. Infuriating.
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 2/3/23 at 02:46 PM |
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I've decided that the Tesla is the car equivalent of Microsoft's Windows 11 - it's fine as long as you do what it wants, they way it
wants...
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 2/3/23 at 02:57 PM |
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Apple. Down to the repair options and policies, and the dealer network.
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TimC
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| posted on 2/3/23 at 03:17 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
I had a type 2 Leaf - I believe that yours is a type 1 - and they introduced so many problems with the type 2. The managed to turn a perfectly
capable car into something with a string of problems...
My '22 Leaf is without issue. Perhaps they nailed it just before they killed it?
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Simon
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| posted on 2/3/23 at 07:52 PM |
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I had a deposit on a Model 3 then got it back when the budget version didn't arrive. Since then, my opinion on high tech has gone down the loo.
Ludicrous prices of EV's (40grand for a Fiat 500!!!). Having just got my espace through an mot and costing £1400 (minor things plus brake abs
pump/labour).
EV's won't get cheaper because lithium really is a finite material and as it gets mined, it gets more expensive.
I'm going older and older and thinking about something without ecu's, abs, airbags or any other stuff that will get a car scrapped due to
uneconomical repair costs.
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HowardB
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| posted on 2/3/23 at 08:59 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Simon
I had a deposit on a Model 3 then got it back when the budget version didn't arrive. Since then, my opinion on high tech has gone down the loo.
Ludicrous prices of EV's (40grand for a Fiat 500!!!). Having just got my espace through an mot and costing £1400 (minor things plus brake abs
pump/labour).
EV's won't get cheaper because lithium really is a finite material and as it gets mined, it gets more expensive.
I'm going older and older and thinking about something without ecu's, abs, airbags or any other stuff that will get a car scrapped due to
uneconomical repair costs.
a 61 S2 SWB landy - lol - dials to adjust stuff - lucky to have a switch to give either off or on, and yes it's not too economical, but it
hasn't been scrapped and is the same car 60 years later - just trundling along - cheap and easy to fix, tax free too LOL
Howard
Fisher Fury was 2000 Zetec - now a 1600 (it Lives again and goes zoom)
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JC
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| posted on 3/3/23 at 07:41 AM |
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The aircraft I fly has done away with almost all conventional switches. A bit different in that it has 7 different touch screens to control things,
however there are still some common things that you need access to quickly.
However, it has been quite well implemented. No matter what screen you are on, swiping from the top downwards brings up the radio controls for
example. The one thing that isn’t controlled that way is the dimming for the displays and lights which is a couple of button presses away and was
irritating - at least until you got used to it.
However, in an aircraft you can look what you are doing. All of the touch screens are raised from the surface so you can grip behind them and steady
your hand in turbulence. With either of my cars, I can ever hit the right bit of the screen without looking….not ideal. Tesla addicts say ‘well
you can use voice control”. Never works for me on the motorway in my BMW that’s for sure!
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 3/3/23 at 01:25 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by JC
The aircraft I fly has done away with almost all conventional switches. A bit different in that it has 7 different touch screens to control things,
however there are still some common things that you need access to quickly.
However, it has been quite well implemented. No matter what screen you are on, swiping from the top downwards brings up the radio controls for
example. The one thing that isn’t controlled that way is the dimming for the displays and lights which is a couple of button presses away and was
irritating - at least until you got used to it.
However, in an aircraft you can look what you are doing. All of the touch screens are raised from the surface so you can grip behind them and steady
your hand in turbulence. With either of my cars, I can ever hit the right bit of the screen without looking….not ideal. Tesla addicts say ‘well
you can use voice control”. Never works for me on the motorway in my BMW that’s for sure!
Yeah but you don't fly down a busy high street with folk and vehicles popping out in front of you without warning.
Lets be honest putting everything on a screen down to the latch for the glove box is done for one reason only, to make it cheaper to manufacture and
that's all. I wonder how many will lose their life from someone fiddling their way through some stupid menu. That's probably why Tesla has
so many self driving features, as the owners are never looking at the road!
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 3/3/23 at 03:14 PM |
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And... I now have my own car back!
The repairers have done a very good job (new bumper and bumper bar, plus a few sundries) and I am so glad to be back in a car that does what I want,
at the time I want it to happen.
But I must admit to a grin or two, watching my neighbours staring at 'my new Tesla' over the past few days!
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