bobinspain
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| posted on 9/7/12 at 11:02 AM |
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Gen 2 Busa airbox (MK-Indy-R) to relace Pipercross.
I thought I'd trawl the combined brains of Locost to see if anyone (other than Custardpants) has fitted an airbox to replace the Pipercross on a
Gen 2 Busa MK Indy-R. (Less bonnet clearance than on a Gen 1). C'pants has cut a hole in his bonnet to accommodate the airbox.
Perhaps if I explain the tolerances involved, you'll understand my concern: It's impossible to measure sufficiently accurately to come to
a conclusion one way or the other, hence my query. Here goes------
The entire length of the Pipercoss airfilter is deformed by downward bonnet pressure. To be fair, MK did ask me if I wanted a hole cut in the bonnet
"to make it more race-car like." I replied that since I qualify for my OAP next year, it was sufficiently "race-car like as it was
thankyou."
On removing the Pipercross, I noticed that the intake trumpets were deformed downwards by bonnet-filter-trumpet contact. I put a smear of lipstick,
(not mine) on the trumpet tops and refitted the bonnet. The rearmost trumpet touches the bonnet . I aligned a strip of 3mm thick insulation tape with
the trumpets, and stuck it the underside of the bonnet. All 4 trumpets made contact with the tape, thus the maximum clearance I have, between trumpets
and bonnet is 3mm only.
Now, if a solid airbox were contoured perfectly with the bonnet and sat 3 mm lower than the trumpets, thus depressing them slightly, and the box was
no more than 3mm thick, then I could replace the Pipercross. I think that's a big 'ask' unless anyone here has tried it?
I realise a bonnet mod could be made to increase the intake blister size, but that's a non-starter. (No personal fibre-glass expertise or
experience of bodyshops here, plus if I was lucky enough to find one, the fabrication and respray would quadruple the size the budget required). I
don't simply want to hack a hole in the bonnet either.
I don't track the car, so noise isn't an issue, (though it's intrusive without earplugs in normal use). I don't need the extra
bhp, it's just that I'd like to optimise the engine's breathing if at all possible.
To finish, Cosmick has been a paragon of patience, industry and help and has fabricated the slimmest, lowest box in history, but even he can't
defy physics and without a trial on a Gen 2 Busa MK, we are in the dark as to whether it'll squeeze in and his edeavours will be successful. If
no-one's tried it, it may just have to be a 'leap of faith' and I'll take a chance, buy it and give it a try.
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MikeFellows
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| posted on 9/7/12 at 11:11 AM |
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Im in the same posistion as you, gen 2 busa and dont want to cut a hole in the bonnet
I even chopped the original airbox down a lot and we left with so little airbox left it was useless
im sticking with the pipercross till post IVA but after that im determined to find something
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bobinspain
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| posted on 9/7/12 at 11:22 AM |
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Hi Mike,
Cosmick is the man 'if anyone can.'
He's fabricated around 20 Busa airboxes now, including 2 for MKs, but only Gen1. He has his latest 'baby' ready to post off to me,
but in light of the tight tolerances, I'd really like to check for fit, otherwise, if it's a no-no, it'll be sat on my garage
shelf.
The trumpet spacing on a Gen2 differs from a Gen1 and they sit higher too on the Gen2. If you check Yellowcab's archive (Gen1) and look at his
bonnet clearance, it's in the order of 30mm. Luxury !
[Edited on 9/7/12 by bobinspain]
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pauladamss
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| posted on 9/7/12 at 11:55 AM |
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I think the only realistic way of doing it is to cut a hole in the bonnet iv put a suzuki air box on my gsxr i had to turn it around remove a piece
from the back of the box and re fibre glass it . Then i have built a power bulge/hump to put over it.I have never used fibre glass before but found it
pretty simple to use. I will probably just vinyl rap the bulge. Cost was
£25 air box
£35 fibre glass kit
£20 vinyl
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cosmick
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| posted on 9/7/12 at 04:26 PM |
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How about if i send the airbox to Mike Fellows to try and if it works, you can fight it out to see who buys it LOL
If it can't be fixed with a hammer then its probably an electrical problem.
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cosmick
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| posted on 9/7/12 at 04:32 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MikeFellows
Im in the same posistion as you, gen 2 busa and dont want to cut a hole in the bonnet
I even chopped the original airbox down a lot and we left with so little airbox left it was useless
im sticking with the pipercross till post IVA but after that im determined to find something
How did you cut the airbox down? it took me a while to understand how best to alter the airbox without losing too much volume and to keep it looking
standard. the result i have now is no alteration to the top of the airbox at all. Consequently, when you look at it, it is just like the factory made
it. We, that is Bobinspain and I might have a solution in you, if you could try the airbox.
Bare in mind that I do not use a Gen 2 Airbox, which would be impossible to modify. I use an earlier GSX R airbox which works well and is the same
volume as a Gen1 Busa.
Mike
[Edited on 9/7/12 by cosmick]
If it can't be fixed with a hammer then its probably an electrical problem.
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bobinspain
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| posted on 9/7/12 at 04:58 PM |
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Brilliant suggestion Mike. (Why didn't I think of that?) Lateral thinking!
There must be a market for more than just Mike Fellows and me.
If Mike F isn't up for it, I'll take the plunge, (I've emailed you 5 mins ago).
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MikeFellows
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| posted on 9/7/12 at 06:14 PM |
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definitely interested as i haven't cut the plate or unpacked the air filter yet - so would be an easy sale on ebay 
as im still not finished the car, I would be happy to test the box to see if it fits. if it does I will send to Bob if not I will do my best to
explain where it doesnt fit and send back to you for further mods?
im sure there must be a market for an airbox that fits in a mk with a gen 2 busa, everytime im down at MK they are putting busa engines in customers
cars.
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cosmick
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| posted on 9/7/12 at 08:29 PM |
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OK Mike,
If you U2U me your address, I will pack it up and send to you for trial, also give me an email address via the U2U and i will forward some photos.
Kind regards,
Mike cosmick
If it can't be fixed with a hammer then its probably an electrical problem.
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Custardpants
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| posted on 9/7/12 at 10:04 PM |
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TBH i don't mind my bonnet cut up as it hints at whats underneath anyway, but i can understand it with a pristine white bonnet.
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MikeFellows
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| posted on 10/7/12 at 07:42 AM |
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good point you make
we both have white cars
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bobinspain
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| posted on 10/7/12 at 08:06 AM |
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Luke,
No MK can be made to look like a wolf in sheep's clothing. They look like a wolf in wolf's clothing.
What I want to avoid Luke, is it looking like a street-rod.
Your car is honed to your requirements, with performance as the ultimate goal.
Mine's an old man's toy for road use, so aesthetics trump performance. (As you know, 175bhp at the wheels. Plenty for me).
I'll take a look at the Mevabusa.
Strangely, the owner of the LHD blue Rocket which has appeared for sale on many sites (35 miler). Began at £15k and now is around £11k through an
agent. Mel (the builder/seller) has some 'interesting' stories to tell about his dealings with MEV. We've spent a lot of time on the
telephone discussing his car and the possibility of selling here in Spain.
"Nothing is as it seems, nor is it otherwise." from a Zen quotation.
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