david_hornet27
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| posted on 27/8/11 at 09:03 PM |
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Can someone explain to me why there is so much anti-Hamilton feeling on here? I much prefer Jensen but have nothing against Lewis and you cannot deny
(some silly mistakes aside) he is a talented young driver.
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Johneturbo
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| posted on 27/8/11 at 09:39 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by david_hornet27
Can someone explain to me why there is so much anti-Hamilton feeling on here? I much prefer Jensen but have nothing against Lewis and you cannot deny
(some silly mistakes aside) he is a talented young driver.
I'm a Lewis fan. i've never known another british driver have so much negative support.. i wonder what's so different about Lewis
Hmmmm
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Wheels244
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| posted on 27/8/11 at 09:46 PM |
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I don't get it either - it was him that rekindled my interest in F1.
An awesome, natural talent.
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britishtrident
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| posted on 27/8/11 at 10:31 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Johneturbo
quote:
Originally posted by david_hornet27
Can someone explain to me why there is so much anti-Hamilton feeling on here? I much prefer Jensen but have nothing against Lewis and you cannot deny
(some silly mistakes aside) he is a talented young driver.
I'm a Lewis fan. i've never known another british driver have so much negative support.. i wonder what's so different about Lewis
Hmmmm
What about Damon Hill --- he never got much support and was shamefully treated by his team.
Up here in Glasgow in the local parlance the mega talented but incident prone Lewis would be told to "Screw the heed" for
those from more lingually deprived parts of the English speaking world and don't Parliamo Glasgow this translates as "I say, calm down
old chap and keep your head".
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James
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| posted on 27/8/11 at 10:45 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Johneturbo
quote:
Originally posted by david_hornet27
Can someone explain to me why there is so much anti-Hamilton feeling on here? I much prefer Jensen but have nothing against Lewis and you cannot deny
(some silly mistakes aside) he is a talented young driver.
I'm a Lewis fan. i've never known another british driver have so much negative support.. i wonder what's so different about Lewis
Hmmmm
Massive Mclaren and Lewis fan myself and I've never understood it either but I do have a suspicion it may, in part, be for the reasons at which
you hint.
People treat Senna like he was some sort of God but I think it's fair to say he made some pretty controversial decisions on track during his
career!
Maybe we'll get to see Lewis use his Karate black belt to settle it with Maldonado! 
Cheers,
James
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"The fight is won or lost far away from witnesses, behind the lines, in the gym and out there on the road, long before I dance under those lights."
- Muhammad Ali
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karlak
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| posted on 28/8/11 at 08:59 AM |
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If it is true that he has only been penalised 5 places or so - then what precident has that set?
Last race of the season and the two front runners in the championship are 5 points apart. How about the second placed drivers team mate taking a
side-swipe at the leader ? Wreck his car put him out of final qulaifying -- is that OK ?
In my opinion Maldonardo should be banned for the rest of this season and personally be made to pay for any damage to the Mclaren. If he has an issue
with Hamilton and the last chicane incident, then that is for the Stewards to sort out. Would have also helped if he was not parked in the middle of
the chicane, neither on or offline !!
You can't allow this to happen, it is not a race incident and was completely intentional. I dont care who hit who or who was to blame, no
favouritsim. But, you cannot allow them to start "ramming" each other.
MK Indy - 2litre Duratec - Omex 600 - Jenvey throttle bodies - ETB DigiDash2
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scootz
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| posted on 28/8/11 at 09:13 AM |
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I was really looking forward to LH coming into F1. But soon after arriving he became too much of a Billy-Big-Balls character and he's only got
worse. His "is it because I'm black" comment was the final straw for me. I can still appreciate his skills, but I've little
time for the man (sorry... boy!). He has a long way to go to repair the damage he's caused in the last few seasons. I hope he pulls it of and
becomes a great, but until then, he'll not get much support from me. It's Button and Di Resta that I'm rooting for!
And lets be honest... DC hardly got any support south of the border. He was constantly denigrated despite being one of the top 4 drivers on the
planet for 6 years or so.
It's Evolution Baby!
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designer
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| posted on 28/8/11 at 11:30 AM |
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People treat Senna like he was some sort of God but I think it's fair to say he made some pretty controversial decisions on track during his
career!
Yes, Senna is revered, but he had it all. He raced, he was mischeivous, he was curteous all the time, gave time, and millions, to charity, had a
magnetic personality, and was the GOAT of modern times, never to be seen again.
Nobody today and I'm afraid to say, never again, wil his sort be seen. The PR/marketing crowd will not let it!
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scootz
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| posted on 28/8/11 at 11:36 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by designer
quote:
People treat Senna like he was some sort of God but I think it's fair to say he made some pretty controversial decisions on track during his
career!
Yes, Senna is revered, but he had it all. He raced, he was mischeivous, he was curteous all the time, gave time, and millions, to charity, had a
magnetic personality, and was the GOAT of modern times, never to be seen again.
Nobody today and I'm afraid to say, never again, wil his sort be seen. The PR/marketing crowd will not let it!
Yup! 
It's Evolution Baby!
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locogeoff
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| posted on 28/8/11 at 12:08 PM |
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I agree with the stewards decision.
I also think this is an early example of new drivers not taking any sh1t from Hamilton, he's very quickly gained a Senna/Schumacer reputation of
give way or have an accdent, and I think more and more people with the belief of incredible car safety are going to choose the accident option.
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locogeoff
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| posted on 28/8/11 at 12:35 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by locogeoff
I also think this is an early example of new drivers not taking any sh1t from Hamilton, he's very quickly gained a Senna/Schumacer reputation of
give way or have an accdent, and I think more and more people with the belief of incredible car safety are going to choose the accident option.
Watching the race, I rest my case ;-)
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scootz
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| posted on 28/8/11 at 12:51 PM |
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Also agreed!
It's Evolution Baby!
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loggyboy
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| posted on 28/8/11 at 04:57 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by locogeoff
quote:
Originally posted by locogeoff
I also think this is an early example of new drivers not taking any sh1t from Hamilton, he's very quickly gained a Senna/Schumacer reputation of
give way or have an accdent, and I think more and more people with the belief of incredible car safety are going to choose the accident option.
Watching the race, I rest my case ;-)
Really - stewards saw it as a racing accident, which I largely agree. Allthough im no HUGE LH fan, im a fan none the less but the accident with
Kobiashiwas nothing to do with him going for a half move or a 'get out my way or crash' maneuver, it was more Kobi than his fault IMO.
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scootz
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| posted on 28/8/11 at 05:01 PM |
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I'd agree with the majority... LH should have been looking in his mirrors!
It's Evolution Baby!
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britishtrident
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| posted on 28/8/11 at 05:06 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by designer
quote:
People treat Senna like he was some sort of God but I think it's fair to say he made some pretty controversial decisions on track during his
career!
Yes, Senna is revered, but he had it all. He raced, he was mischeivous, he was curteous all the time, gave time, and millions, to charity, had a
magnetic personality, and was the GOAT of modern times, never to be seen again.
Nobody today and I'm afraid to say, never again, wil his sort be seen. The PR/marketing crowd will not let it!
From day one thought Senna was a a conniving little s***, amazing that Bruno Senna is such a nice guy.
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Kwik
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| posted on 28/8/11 at 05:08 PM |
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if he looked in his mirrors when the incident happend then he would have had to been looking in his mirrors mid way through the corner. they crashed
just as LH started to turn his wheel, so if he was looking in his mirrors he wouldnt be able to see where to go...
though i would agree if the incident happend 50 yards back
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scootz
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| posted on 28/8/11 at 05:22 PM |
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I don't see it that way... KK was slipstreaming LH for a good distance and LH should have seen it coming!
KK was almost level with LH BEFORE the entry to the corner. Are you telling me that LH wasn't able to see the slipstreaming and the move to his
nearside?
Clip Linky
It's Evolution Baby!
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spiderman
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| posted on 28/8/11 at 05:26 PM |
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Yet another driver smashes into Lewis Hamilton.
What is the Common denominator?
Spider
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norfolkluego
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| posted on 28/8/11 at 05:48 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by scootz
quote:
Originally posted by designer
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People treat Senna like he was some sort of God but I think it's fair to say he made some pretty controversial decisions on track during his
career!
Yes, Senna is revered, but he had it all. He raced, he was mischeivous, he was curteous all the time, gave time, and millions, to charity, had a
magnetic personality, and was the GOAT of modern times, never to be seen again.
Nobody today and I'm afraid to say, never again, wil his sort be seen. The PR/marketing crowd will not let it!
Yup!
You forgot 'was quite happy to be willfully dangerous and DELIBERATELY cause a crash'.
Awesome talent but no saint, not by a million miles.
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locogeoff
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| posted on 28/8/11 at 07:46 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by loggyboy
Really - stewards saw it as a racing accident, which I largely agree. Allthough im no HUGE LH fan, im a fan none the less but the accident with
Kobiashiwas nothing to do with him going for a half move or a 'get out my way or crash' maneuver, it was more Kobi than his fault IMO.
Remember the stewards look at a single incident whereas we are discussing a more widespread driver behavior. As for the incident itself, Niki Lauda
made some interesting comments on it, basically saying it was an unnecessary manouvre, he had the corner won, there was no need to go left before the
turn in. I think ths was another example of Hamilton being a bit too forceful especially who he did it to, they don't call him Kobycrashi for
nothing
If we give Lewis the benefit of the doubt and say he didn't know Kobyashi (sp?) was there then I agree it was a racing incident. If it was a
deliberate chop then KK had three options brake, take to the grass, or have the inevitable accident and LH will maybe get the message that overly
aggressive driving does not always pay dividends.
We only need to contrast this with Webber's pass on Alonso at Eau Rouge to see the perfect level of aggressive behavior where both drivers
complemented each others actions after the fact. Can you imagine the same outcome had LH been either competitor.
Regardless of LH's behavior prior to the OP incident Maldonardo was bang out of order, but that's how you fight bullies.
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scootz
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| posted on 28/8/11 at 07:58 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by locogeoff
If we give Lewis the benefit of the doubt and say he didn't know Kobyashi (sp?) was there then I agree it was a racing incident...
I'd go a stage further and say that if LH didn't know KK was there, then he has no place on the F1 circuit!
It's Evolution Baby!
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norfolkluego
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| posted on 28/8/11 at 08:12 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by scootz
quote:
Originally posted by locogeoff
If we give Lewis the benefit of the doubt and say he didn't know Kobyashi (sp?) was there then I agree it was a racing incident...
I'd go a stage further and say that if LH didn't know KK was there, then he has no place on the F1 circuit!
That's over the top.
Hamilton has come out ( ) and said he thought he's left him enough room but obviously hadn't and accepted the blame, these guys deal in
millimetres at high speed with very little lateral or backwards vision.
They all get it wrong sometimes.
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plentywahalla
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| posted on 28/8/11 at 08:41 PM |
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There does seem to be a strong anti Hamilton theme on here. I would make a few observations:
1) Hamilton did not make a definate move to the left. He was maintaining a straight line to the best turning point for the corner.
2) There is no possible advantage for Kobiyashi to have an outside overlap before the corner.
3) It is far easier for the following car to judge whether there is an overlap.
4) There is a general rule that it is the overtaking car that has the primary responsibility to avoid contact unless under a yellow flag.
I may be a bit rusty on the rules as it is about 30 years since I took to the track, but I think it was very generous of Hamilton to accept some
responsibility for the incident. It shows that he is maturing as a driver.
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Wheels244
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| posted on 28/8/11 at 09:07 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by plentywahalla
There does seem to be a strong anti Hamilton theme on here. I would make a few observations:
1) Hamilton did not make a definate move to the left. He was maintaining a straight line to the best turning point for the corner.
2) There is no possible advantage for Kobiyashi to have an outside overlap before the corner.
3) It is far easier for the following car to judge whether there is an overlap.
4) There is a general rule that it is the overtaking car that has the primary responsibility to avoid contact unless under a yellow flag.
I may be a bit rusty on the rules as it is about 30 years since I took to the track, but I think it was very generous of Hamilton to accept some
responsibility for the incident. It shows that he is maturing as a driver.
Here, Here - well said sir.
How the Lewis bashers can blame him for that one is beyond me.
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Gordy
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| posted on 28/8/11 at 09:41 PM |
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I admit i'm not a Lewis fan, i dont doubt his talent but he's known to act like a spoilt brat when things go against him and down his own
team very quickly when mistakes are made, the team that bankrolled his whole career since he was a young boy, and the team he would drop in a heart
beat if Red Bull had come calling, but not because hes black as a couple of guys are hinting at on here
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