OwenSP
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| posted on 9/10/18 at 07:42 AM |
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Race Series suitable for a Phoenix
Hi all,
Looking for a bit of info on eligible race series for my Phoenix, I've had a look on the 'Race' section but not found a suitable
one. My Phoenix has a standard 2.0 zetec running twin 45 webbers. Anyone know of a suitable option? I know the 750mc has the 1800cc sport specials
option but I'd rather not have to change engines! And having seen a few races the chaps in those classes seem to spend most of the race staying
out of the way of faster cars by the looks of it, it'd be nice to be competitive if possible! I'd also be interested in some eligible
sprint/hillclimbs series.
Thanks!
Owen
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bi22le
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| posted on 9/10/18 at 09:28 AM |
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Are there any CSCC classes?
For example, if it was a se7en you would fit in the magnificent seven race. Again though, all classes are bunched together so be prepared to be
skinned by £60k 280+bhp caterhams.
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HowardB
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| posted on 9/10/18 at 10:07 AM |
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750 MC?
Howard
Fisher Fury was 2000 Zetec - now a 1600 (it Lives again  and goes zoom)
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Paul_Arion
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| posted on 9/10/18 at 03:33 PM |
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Does your car have a full MSA compliant cage? This may well restrict your circuit racing options. Sprints and hill climbs may be your best option
and you can at least have a chance to be competitive without spending mega-money
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JimSpencer
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| posted on 10/10/18 at 06:45 AM |
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Hi
Can't honestly think of a Championship where your car, in it's current spec, would be 'front of the grid' competitive.
However there's a few where you should be competitive in a class - Castle Combe GT Championship is the one that springs to mind local ish to
you.
For Hillclimb and Sprint I'd suggest having a look at the Hillclimb & Sprint Associations own championship, it's National B (So
it's dead simple to get a licence) it goes all over the country with loads of rounds (circa 30) - but only has around a third count to your
championship (9 IIRC)- so you can put together a calendar to suit where you want to travel too.
They get to go to some very good venue's too, a full mix of hills, sprint venues and race circuits.
HTH
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Andy D
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| posted on 10/10/18 at 09:26 AM |
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quote:
I know the 750mc has the 1800cc sport specials option but I'd rather not have to change engines!
As far as I know the 750mc Sport Specials are now classed by power to weight.
From 2018 regs:
5.2: GENERAL DESCRIPTION: The SPORT SPECIALS CHAMPIONSHIP is for Competitors participating in Roadgoing two-seater sports specials with a defined
maximum power to weight ratio (Power at flywheel and weight including driver with helmet, overalls etc). Normally aspirated engines only (except
MX150R to appendix A in Class C), limited slip differentials permitted, no 4 wheel drive. All vehicles must be of sound construction and mechanical
condition and be well maintained. There is no requirement for an MOT Certificate, Road Tax or Insurance. Cars will run in three classes:-
Class A: 340bhp/tonne.
Class B: 270bhp/tonne.
Class C: MX150R to appendix A.
These classes are intended to encompass a variety of cars, including ‘one-off’ specials, Caterhams with a maximum power to weight ratio of 340 or
270bhp/tonne dependant on class (Power at flywheel and weight including driver with helmet, overalls etc) subject to the approval of the Championship
Organisers and MX150R cars to appendix A.
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OwenSP
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| posted on 14/10/18 at 08:57 PM |
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Thanks for the replies gents, some great info there and I'll be looking into the various options.
Andy that does look correct, 750mc regulations have changed which is a nice surprise and means my phoenix could also be competitive. Paul, it
doesn't yet but will do before long 
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Trigger1
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| posted on 15/10/18 at 02:49 PM |
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Does sports specials allow motorbike engines as well? It says n/a only but doesn't mention car only engines? Sometimes they say if it's
not in the rules then assume it's not allowed.
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OwenSP
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| posted on 15/10/18 at 03:14 PM |
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Trigger, off the top of my head I don't think so as they have a bike engined series already. That said if it fits in the class brackets it may
be ok, worth giving them a call I'd say
quote:
Originally posted by Trigger1
Does sports specials allow motorbike engines as well? It says n/a only but doesn't mention car only engines? Sometimes they say if it's
not in the rules then assume it's not allowed.
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Trigger1
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| posted on 15/10/18 at 05:15 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by OwenSP
Trigger, off the top of my head I don't think so as they have a bike engined series already. That said if it fits in the class brackets it may
be ok, worth giving them a call I'd say
quote:
Originally posted by Trigger1
Does sports specials allow motorbike engines as well? It says n/a only but doesn't mention car only engines? Sometimes they say if it's
not in the rules then assume it's not allowed.
Thanks, I will do.
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Andy D
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| posted on 15/10/18 at 05:58 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Trigger1
Does sports specials allow motorbike engines as well? It says n/a only but doesn't mention car only engines? Sometimes they say if it's
not in the rules then assume it's not allowed.
From the regs, page 4
All engines must be based on series production car engines; forced induction is not permitted in any class except Class C MX150R to appendix A.
http://www.750mc.co.uk/ugc-1/1/1/0/2018_final_regulations_-_sport_speci.pdf
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Trigger1
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| posted on 16/10/18 at 02:57 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Andy D
quote:
Originally posted by Trigger1
Does sports specials allow motorbike engines as well? It says n/a only but doesn't mention car only engines? Sometimes they say if it's
not in the rules then assume it's not allowed.
From the regs, page 4
All engines must be based on series production car engines; forced induction is not permitted in any class except Class C MX150R to appendix A.
http://www.750mc.co.uk/ugc-1/1/1/0/2018_final_regulations_-_sport_speci.pdf
Thanks for that, looks like I need to look elsewhere.
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procomp
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| posted on 16/10/18 at 09:28 PM |
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Hi. For what you have as a car the 750 Sports specials will be perfect.
Class A. has various cars with mostly 220Hp - 240Hp engines ranging from Zetec to Honda
Class B. is cars with mostly 170Hp - 190Hp ranging from Zetec to Mazda. The current class limit for class B is 1840cc to allow the mazda unit in,
However we are currently trying to get the limit raised to 2000cc to allow std 2ltr zetec engines in with 180 ish Hp as at moment it kind of excludes
cars with 2ltr std tune and forces them into Class A which gets more expensive and much higher state of tune.
The regulations will be having some minor tweaks over winter to try keep costs down but no major changes as such.
If interested give me a U2U and ill pass you a contact number for Nigel who is the drivers Rep and will give you a very clear idea of all things 750mc
sports specials.
Cheers Matt
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cosmicicecreamman
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| posted on 17/10/18 at 03:26 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by procomp
The regulations will be having some minor tweaks over winter to try keep costs down but no major changes as such.
Any appetite to allow sequential gearboxes? I know they go against the ethos of keeping costs down but would like to try a few rounds but my car runs
a sequential box so currently not allowed in the regs.
Many thanks
Stephen
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procomp
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| posted on 19/10/18 at 06:22 PM |
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There where people running sequential boxes ILLEGALLY, mainly the tiger race cars. But plans are to Completely ban the sequential boxes and the
traction control that was unknowingly slipped in to regs.
If wanting to run sequential box etc then its MAG Sevens championship and run in the appropriate class. But big wallets rule in that championship with
front running cars costing 120K.
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Trigger1
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| posted on 19/10/18 at 09:28 PM |
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I assume a 919cc fisher fury with circa 130bhp would not be competitive in mag 7?
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Andy D
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| posted on 20/10/18 at 10:21 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Trigger1
I assume a 919cc fisher fury with circa 130bhp would not be competitive in mag 7?
I don't know for certain, but I've never seen a full bodied car in Mag 7s. I think it's "seven" shaped carsonly. In
practice it's 99% Caterhams.
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Andy D
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| posted on 20/10/18 at 12:04 PM |
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quote:
If wanting to run sequential box etc then its MAG Sevens championship and run in the appropriate class. But big wallets rule in that championship with
front running cars costing 120K.
This one's a bargain!
https://racecarsdirect.com/Advert/Details/95702/ultiimate-caterham
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steve m
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| posted on 20/10/18 at 06:01 PM |
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how can you spend 100k building a Cateringvan ?
Thats was probably spelt wrong, or had some grammer, that the "grammer police have to have a moan at
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