iv totally lost faith in everyone and now im getting angry ( rant over ) till next time
and a fcuking gain they've been back this is realy startin to p1ss me off as the garage in question is at the bottom of my grandads land and is
whittling him to shite ( ive got 2 cars and a massive van at mine ), the officer dealing with the case rang me last week to ask ME if id heard owt
about the stuff that got nicked the 1st time wtf so wot the fcuk can i do if the cops are asking me and to make it worse the loss adjusters still
havn't been out to see me .
iv totally lost faith in everyone and now im getting angry ( rant over ) till next time
Time to set up some traps. They wont be back then!
Seriously though, set up or borrow some CCTV gear if you can. You'll have something to give the police to work with then...
Id move into the garage with a base ball bat handy. they wont come back if you break there knees.
I know its no use but its the only langauge theyl understand.
quote:
Originally posted by flak monkey
Time to set up some traps. They wont be back then!
Seriously though, set up or borrow some CCTV gear if you can. You'll have something to give the police to work with then...
In American you can shoot them if they are on your land.
set traps that spray permanant dye all over the the barstewards then if there local you'l bunp into them in the following weeks!
Car battery connected to the door handles?
totally agree with you there. they should not be there in the first place!! hope you catch them before the cops do!!
Rob
little bro the offer still stands to pop down with my mates in a van and do some old school research while you are at the pub 
I wouldn't let the "have you heard anything" call wind you up too much mate, it's just a standard way of going around
'we're keeping in touch with you'. In some cases yeah people do know who took their stuff but you can't just go round and weighing
in.
The law is an ass sometimes, as the saying goes.
quote:
Originally posted by tomblyth
set traps that spray permanant dye all over the the barstewards then if there local you'l bunp into them in the following weeks!
brilliant drawing !!! yes but more dye!
If the same Officer is still callling it means the file is still open, and they are still working it, worry when they don't call.
don't set traps,
set about 10 locost builder lads camping inthere over night, see who comes of better...............
Are you sure it's garage and not a kennel?
Cheers
Chris 
Before you read, this is an objectiive point of view and I am gutted for you, i know i would be really pissed off if it was me....... but.......
what security did you have before the first break in and did you improve it afterwards, did you then improve it more after the 2nd and are you going
to improve it now its happened again....... if you had and still have crap security then i have to ask why. you shouldnt rely on the police to
prevent burglaries.
As for Police, forget it, I can tell you that there is no investigation going on unless they actually find your property on someone or they found
forensic evidence at the scene. If they had you would know by now.
I dont know where you live but i work in London and there are approximately 20 burglaries a day in just the borough i work in, there are 32 boroughs
in London. Residential Burglaries take priority and there is still no investigation into them unless property falls in to the lap of the police or
there is forensic evidence. Unless a suspect is caught at the scene or named. Non Residential is just not a government priority according to the home
office and so isnt for the police.
This is the stuff you want for your trap. Used on the cash in transit deliveries and now, even in Manchester, we test for it as people are brought into custody, you just can't get it off your skin. When you enter the custody 'tunnel' the lights drop and UV light comes on showing the baddy like a Halloween skeleton!
quote:
Originally posted by Antnicuk
Before you read, this is an objectiive point of view and I am gutted for you, i know i would be really pissed off if it was me....... but.......
what security did you have before the first break in and did you improve it afterwards, did you then improve it more after the 2nd and are you going to improve it now its happened again....... if you had and still have crap security then i have to ask why. you shouldnt rely on the police to prevent burglaries.
As for Police, forget it, I can tell you that there is no investigation going on unless they actually find your property on someone or they found forensic evidence at the scene. If they had you would know by now.
I dont know where you live but i work in London and there are approximately 20 burglaries a day in just the borough i work in, there are 32 boroughs in London. Residential Burglaries take priority and there is still no investigation into them unless property falls in to the lap of the police or there is forensic evidence. Unless a suspect is caught at the scene or named. Non Residential is just not a government priority according to the home office and so isnt for the police.
Gutted to hear this, there are some real scum out there.
At work, our padlocks are mostly covered in 6mm plate with just enough room to get in with the key and get the hasp & staple apart. Not
impenetrable but makes it harder to get in.
We have plenty bits off steel (angle, plate etc.) in our scrap bin that may help you beef up some of your vunerable points. I can get the plate
guillotined to size.
Let me know if I can help.
David
Sadly these days it seems to be illegal to protect your self or your property 
Myself , I'd be happy to set a booby trap that will kill - linked to a mobile phone so I would know immediately .
Then simply bury the bodies in the woods.......job done . No one would miss them .
In my eyes - a victimless crime
quote:
Originally posted by Mansfield
Gutted to hear this, there are some real scum out there.
At work, our padlocks are mostly covered in 6mm plate with just enough room to get in with the key and get the hasp & staple apart. Not impenetrable but makes it harder to get in.
We have plenty bits off steel (angle, plate etc.) in our scrap bin that may help you beef up some of your vunerable points. I can get the plate guillotined to size.
Let me know if I can help.
David
encapsulating the padlock can definately help. so what did they do to get in?
If you write to your local MP and copy it to your local police station stating briefly what you said above about your grandfather, the 3 burglaries
and you would like some reassurance, you may get a result. The people that matter a the the station/borough will have more concern about this kind of
repeat offending and the fear of crime than the officer who is 'investigating' your theft. They will also have more clout.
I'm afraid they are still unlikely to solve your crime though but as you say a uniformed officer driving around at night may put any burglars off
as I would be sure they are local.
I didn't say but if you do want any metal, it would be free of course, it is only scrap and the lads who would crop it owe me a favour or two.
quote:
Originally posted by Antnicuk
encapsulating the padlock can definately help. so what did they do to get in?
they went tooled up cos they pryed the brackets out of the concrete floor
MikeR - 13/3/09 at 10:20 PMAfter I got done over (house) i added an alarm and security lights. They came back a week later, didn't touch the house but did my shed (bottom of the garden, not really covered by security lights).
I then made the fence harder to get through - by adding 2m wicker screen to it. If you wanted to you could get through it easily - it would just make lots of noise and thats what they don't want.
To help your dad, get security lights on your back lawn so anyone approaching the house gets lit up with a 500w of halogen light. They'll soon Foxtrot Oscar when that happens giving him some peace of mind.
(just make sure his bedroom is to the front in case of any false alarms so he's not spending the night worrying).
Antnicuk - 13/3/09 at 10:28 PMeastern Europeans are more prevalent in violent crime, not usually Burglary. Burglaries are usually committed by young people, you say its been safe for 15 years but the burglar(s) may only be 16 years old and just getting brave/strong enough to break in to places.
Peteff - 13/3/09 at 11:12 PMIf there's nothing in there leave the doors open like the lorry drivers do when they park empty curtain siders to save getting the sides slashed.
tcr - 13/3/09 at 11:25 PMif im gonna have a garage wi doors open i might as well just have a hard standing which is even less secure but would be better for my grandad so problem sorted the garage is coming down stuff it
thunderace - 13/3/09 at 11:55 PMget some shot gun cartrages say 4 with no lead in them from a shooting club you can get a tube a a wire and tape a nail onto the shells open the door the brick falls down the tube hiting the nails BANG soar ears for a week and wet paints lol.
it works they will never come back .
i heard one go off it was in my mates garage to protect his bike he set it off by mistake lol i live 2 streets away and heard it lol.
A1 - 14/3/09 at 02:02 AMsorry for you. were not even allowed to protect our property any more...
heard a story involving a car that was being vandalised continuously and a man with a bat waiting for the culprit. it stopped when his legs were broken.
cobra427 - 14/3/09 at 08:11 AMI'm not saying the area where I work is rough - but even the vicarage for the church has 6 cameras - steel grills over every window/door and a 10ft fence topped with razor wire around his car
A few years ago we got done over by gippos - took everything - tools, parts (inc new 4.2 for my rangy) and a stack of knackered tires.
about three weeks later and crime rate had got higher - one of said gippos slipped up and tried to sell some of tools to a mate.
that night their camp was "visited" upshot - we got some stuff back...
Turns out the gippo had tried to sell our mate some stuff that they'd knicked from him.. so he'd got some people together to go and have a quiet word with em.
When the council stop messing me about and grant planning for my garage - I'm going to look at "things" that can legally be installed in cars - as security for my garage. as that lot will run off 12v if the mains feed gets interrupted somehow.
tomprescott - 14/3/09 at 08:43 AMI saw a 15/16 year old kid trying to break into my car once, the door was locked but not quite flush with the body so he was trying to pull it open. I saw him walking past a day or two later (I live on a main road) - so I followed him home, never had any trouble after that.
It makes me sick that the law completely favours the criminals, it wouldn't have suprised me if you got fined for damaging their tools when they tried to break in! I think the lights are not a bad idea to make your dad feel that little bit safer though.
rgrs - 14/3/09 at 09:02 AMhave a look at this
smoke cloak vid linky
its very good you can't see your hand in front of your face in seconds
Roger
wilkingj - 14/3/09 at 09:12 AMquote:
Originally posted by speedyxjs
Car battery connected to the door handles?
Dont be silly 12V DC will not even hurt an Ant.
Go stick your fingers across the battery in your car, and see what I mean. You wont feel anything, as the body's resistance is so high, that at 12V not enough current will flow to even feel it. Unless you put 12V across your wet tongue etc. But across your hands... No chance, not a saussage.
You need 120V DC before it will have an effect, or about 80V AC.
80V AC is what rings your phone, and you will dop that VERY quickly its a good non lethal belt! Unless you were up a Phone Pole in winter, pushing up through the old style open wires and someone got a call (wires touching your ears) It was enough to nearly make you let go of the pole. Believe me I have been there on more than one occasion. (they are all insulated overhead wires now)
The Telex machines worked on +80 and -80 volts DC (160VDC agross the line).
I have seen engineers stuck to the distrubution frame in an exchange (40 years ago) as they couldnt let go / were stuck to it.
Legally speaking, you are laible for everones safety whilst they are on your property (Invited or NOT).
Personally I would use a RF generator, again non lethal power range, but it gives RF burns to the skin that take months to heal.
This was how a lot of Wartime clandestine radio operators were caught / identified.
They often tuned their sets in the dark, with their finger on the aerial terminal. Tuned for max pain (power). But it left nasty burns that look like a wart!
So there... DONT set traps. Mind you they should turn the lights on, so they could se where they are going, and not step on that upturned harrow that you were sharpening up the tines thats laid on the floor in the workshop
EDIT:
Lights and some CCTV signs. even with NO cameras, they dont know that, and will worry THEY cant see them.
Dummy boxes are a waste of time, they know what they look like.
[Edited on 14/3/2009 by wilkingj]
paul the 6th - 14/3/09 at 10:11 AMtime to buy an air pistol & some handcuffs
in all seriousness though, I think I'd be happy to end up before the courts if it meant I'd done some serious damage to the scumbags...
tcr - 14/3/09 at 03:13 PMquote:
Originally posted by paul the 6th
time to buy an air pistol & some handcuffs
do you know my bro (repper) he lives in acomb ?
A1 - 14/3/09 at 03:38 PMim not big on electrics, but im sure i was told that it more the current that does the damage rather than the voltage?
that was when we were being shown pics of a guy who had his arm cut off by an electric shock...
owelly - 14/3/09 at 03:50 PMAn electric fence transformer does the trick.
I'd be tempted to booby trap the garage to keep the feckers IN!
Imagine being trapped inside waiting to meet the guy(s) you were trying to burgle..........
MikeRJ - 31/10/09 at 12:39 PMquote:
Originally posted by clairetoo
In my eyes - a victimless crime
A public service in mine...
MikeRJ - 31/10/09 at 12:43 PMquote:
Originally posted by A1
im not big on electrics, but im sure i was told that it more the current that does the damage rather than the voltage?
I=V/R
Given the bodies high resistance, you need high voltage to get a high current to flow.
Wheels244 - 31/10/09 at 01:07 PMI had my house burgled 5 times,
Garage twice,
Car twice,
I fitted alarms, lights etc - didn't make any difference - they're in and out before anybody reacts - which nobody does to alarms these days - think about the last one you heard, did you do anything ?
Police - sorry, no use whatsoever - I even offered to put my motobike outside the house to tempt the thieves - was told this would be 'entrapment' and is not legal.
After the last burglary I moved out, put the house on the market the same week and sold it.
It really pains me to say - you won't beat the scum, they're too many of them and our sentances are a joke - the courts would rather jail people for speeding.
I would love to have caught one of them - I wouldn't have bothered with the police - but they wouldn't be picking their nose for a while !!!!!
clairetoo - 1/11/09 at 07:27 AMquote:
Originally posted by owelly
An electric fence transformer does the trick.
I'd be tempted to booby trap the garage to keep the feckers IN!
Imagine being trapped inside waiting to meet the guy(s) you were trying to burgle..........
I like your thinking
morcus - 1/11/09 at 08:19 AMLights and a dog(s) are your best bet.
Leaving a motorbike in an area you knew there were thieves in the hope of catching them wouldn't be entrapment and would be perfectly legal, It would only be entrapment if you told them to knick it or at least left the key in as your perfectly entitled to park a motorbike outside. Typical police BS.
If you do find out who did it, take them to civil court rather than beating them up, your more likely to get a result than criminal court.