bassett
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| posted on 13/12/09 at 03:04 PM |
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MNR Inboard Ride Height
Hi, Marc sent down my new push rods(34cm over the 36cm) and ive just fitted them. I am aiming for parralel wishbones to the floor as a starting setup
following from what ive read. I am curious how owners have acheived the correct height ie have you just changed the height by raising the spring
collar up/down or collar and twisted the push rod to increase/decrease its length. If yours is similar to my spec and been pro setup what have you
found to be best? I know it will be much trial and error but a good base point will help.
Cheers
Adam
My MNR Blog Updated Jan 2010 - Track Day Prep Begins!
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mr henderson
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| posted on 13/12/09 at 05:07 PM |
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Any chance of a picture?
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A1
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| posted on 13/12/09 at 05:19 PM |
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screw the rosejoints in/out the end of the pushrods
if you screw the spring collar up and down it plays merry hell with the ride, just take up the slack on the spring
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bassett
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| posted on 13/12/09 at 07:54 PM |
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i would normal get a pic but it wouldnt really show an awful lot. how much would you say slack is when tightening the colar - just when easy movement
stops? i had noticed before when we went over this point the car is skitish on bumpy fast road but that might just be overly weighted spring
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Johneturbo
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| posted on 13/12/09 at 08:01 PM |
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I've got my push rods as short as posible and about, 12/15 threads showing on my shocks counting from the bottom up.
for corner weighting you would adjust each rod to get it optimum
[Edited on 13/12/09 by Johneturbo]
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mr henderson
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| posted on 13/12/09 at 08:11 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by bassett
i would normal get a pic but it wouldnt really show an awful lot. how much would you say slack is when tightening the colar - just when easy movement
stops? i had noticed before when we went over this point the car is skitish on bumpy fast road but that might just be overly weighted spring
Overly weighted? Do you mean the spring is too stiff? How about a sketch?
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Gergely
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| posted on 13/12/09 at 08:40 PM |
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Marc told us to first set the damper travel - 2/3 of the travel for bump and 1/3 for droop (or how you call it) when resting on a level ground. You
set this with the sprong collars. Once done, you adjust the pushrods to ensure that the lower wishbone is parallel to the ground. I our case this
meant tha shortest possible pushrod setting and even then it was a little higher than it was supposed to be. But after the first hundred miles it sort
of settled in and now it is fine.
I hope this helps...
Gergely
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bassett
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| posted on 13/12/09 at 09:06 PM |
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MNR owners - thats interesting as mine is currently set at 16 threads from bottom on the coilies(done up as tight as possible by hand with no weight
on them) and with the new shorter push rod at there shortest its about 1.5cm to low so i will drop the shocks to just take up free play then adjust
the push rods out but this sounds like my push rods are really short in comparison to you guys? If you have a free moment any chance you could let me
know the length of yours as maybe im better off with the originals which i thought were designed for if the pushrod mount was on the bottom of the
wishbone.
mr hendson - i remember reading another MNR owners comments that when he changed from the stock springs(175lb) down to 150lb he noticed a more
compliant ride on fast bumpy road which i think is similar to mine as i am more confident going fast on these particular roads in my Leon.
Thanks
Adam
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Johneturbo
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| posted on 13/12/09 at 09:22 PM |
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I'm tepmted to drop down to a lower poundage from 175- to possibly 150 or lower.
i think with the inboard set up you have a ratio from the pushrod/rocker to spring.
sometimes i feel like i'm suffering from bump steer.
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Smartripper
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| posted on 13/12/09 at 09:37 PM |
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Hello
I've made te chance from 175 to 150 end i can tell its way better on bumpy roads..
So much nicer to drive then.
Greetings Daniel
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bassett
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| posted on 13/12/09 at 10:01 PM |
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Hi Daniel, i dont suppose youve had it on track before and after the change and if you dont mind me asking how much are the springs and are they just
front or all 4?
One day soon mine will make it to brands and hopefully some others so i really wouldnt want to compromise the setting when i have a fast road car at
home and this as the track toy if that makes sense.
Cheers
Adam
My MNR Blog Updated Jan 2010 - Track Day Prep Begins!
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mr henderson
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| posted on 13/12/09 at 10:04 PM |
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If it's mainly for track use you may want to keep it stiff to resist roll. Softer springs will usually be better on bumpy (normal!) roads, but
on a smooth track at high cornering force then resisting roll will be the main priority.
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Smartripper
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| posted on 13/12/09 at 10:24 PM |
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hello,
Not on track sorry,
spring were only front i think 30 pounds.
but on fast roads car still feels stiff, or set damping stiffer...
Daniel
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spdpug98
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| posted on 14/12/09 at 09:32 AM |
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Hi Adam
Not sure if this is any help, but my shocks have about 5/6 threads showing and my pushrods have about 2/3 threads showing top & bottom
I have not had my set up professionally, but did do it myself with a fellow racer (so could probably be improved!!).
I found that at higher speeds on bumpy roads, the car was very very skittish, that was with the shocks all set at the softest setting. I then started
upping the rate until I was happy with the settings, I now have about +9 (clicks) on the rears and about +8 on the fronts and the car is a lot more
stable than before
Not been on track yet but it is much improved on the bumpy back roads
Dave
My Blog: http://spdpug98.wordpress.com/
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bassett
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| posted on 14/12/09 at 01:48 PM |
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Cheers guys, i think il keep the springs for the one eventual day it makes it to the track just so it as uncompromised as possible. Dave thats
interesting as i think if i had my springs that low the push rods would have to go a lot further. Is 5/6 turns on the coil before the point where the
slack is taken up? and are you running upturned wishbones(mount on top) with shorter rods?
Thanks again
Adam
My MNR Blog Updated Jan 2010 - Track Day Prep Begins!
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spdpug98
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| posted on 14/12/09 at 03:30 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by bassett
Cheers guys, i think il keep the springs for the one eventual day it makes it to the track just so it as uncompromised as possible. Dave thats
interesting as i think if i had my springs that low the push rods would have to go a lot further. Is 5/6 turns on the coil before the point where the
slack is taken up? and are you running upturned wishbones(mount on top) with shorter rods?
Thanks again
Adam
Adam
Not sure if these pics help, I run my wishbones with the mount underneath:
My Blog: http://spdpug98.wordpress.com/
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Gergely
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| posted on 14/12/09 at 04:22 PM |
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As said again, just make sure that you have enough travel in the dampers, otherwise they will bottom out on the bumpstops and you will bend your
wishbones like we have...
This is why Marc recommended the 2/3-1/3 rule for damper setup, then adjust the pushrods for correct ride height. From spudbug's pictures it
seems to me the spring cpollars could be quite low and may bottom out - but can't really see from the photos... anyway, just watch your
setup...
Just my 2p's worth...
Gergely
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Frosty
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| posted on 14/12/09 at 05:45 PM |
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Adam on a setup note, go slightly higher than parallel wishbones to give you ideal camber control. It's also very important to set the ride
height with the target weight in the car (I.e. with you, or you + passenger on board with fuel).
If you start with parallel you may find that you have to run more camber than you need to. The reason being is that as soon as you corner, the loaded
wishbone will go beyond parallel, and you will have lost camber, so you would have to run more camber than you need due to the fact you will lose a
given % of it as you corner.
If however you set just above parallel, you can run less camber than you need, because you will gain it naturally as you corner (opposite effect).
How high or low you set the spring platforms will depend on how much bump travel the car is likely to see, which depends on a few things like spring
rate and weight etc.
I would set the spring platforms about half way (same both sides), and then adjust the rods. This will give you suitable travel for bump and droop.
The general rule of thumb on the rose joints as to make sure you use at least 1.5 x the width of the thread. Any less and you could be in trouble.
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bassett
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| posted on 14/12/09 at 07:21 PM |
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Dave ours will definitely be slightly different then as ours mount to the top as i thought that was part of the safety notice regarding the circlip. i
think i will try and set the spring heigh as Gergely recommends.
That is a very good point Frosty I had
been looking at the ride height completely from a static view and we generally drive 2 up and i imagine our first few track endeavours will be the
same.
Wont be a problem with the rose joints though the threaded portions are about 6-8cms long either end.
Thanks for everyones input
Adam
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spdpug98
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| posted on 15/12/09 at 09:00 AM |
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I know that MNR read these threads so it would be good if MNR could give us all some feedback, as it appears we all have different set-ups but all
seem to have the same (similar) parts
I am now concerned about my set up as it does seem I have very little damping and am concerned about hitting the bump stops, but saying that it may be
OK as I have a seen a couple with only a few threads on the shock showing
My Blog: http://spdpug98.wordpress.com/
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spdpug98
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| posted on 15/12/09 at 09:00 AM |
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I know that MNR read these threads so it would be good if MNR could give us all some feedback, as it appears we all have different set-ups but all
seem to have the same (similar) parts
I am now concerned about my set up as it does seem I have very little damping and am concerned about hitting the bump stops, but saying that it may be
OK as I have a seen a couple with only a few threads on the shock showing
My Blog: http://spdpug98.wordpress.com/
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procomp
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| posted on 15/12/09 at 09:21 AM |
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Hi
Is it not also a case of the bottom damper mounts are totally different on some. Some of the ones i have seen have a 2"-3" spacing and
some couldn't even be fitted without machining the bottom eye of the dampers.
Cheers Matt
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marc n
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| posted on 15/12/09 at 04:42 PM |
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hi all
not getting on here much due to ridiculas workloads, i just dont have time to surf the net these days, best bet any querie is to email us not rely on
me looking on here, there is someone to help all technical questions available on email 9 am - 5pm monday to friday and 9 am till 1pm saturday, all
emails should be answered within 2hrs where possible.
to the question :- would need an email with chassis number to answer, but a rough guide is narrow shock spacing early cars wide shock spacing later
cars so if you specify chassis no. , suspension type then we can help
cheers
marc
please email rather than u2u
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spdpug98
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| posted on 15/12/09 at 05:13 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by marc n
hi all
not getting on here much due to ridiculas workloads, i just dont have time to surf the net these days, best bet any querie is to email us not rely on
me looking on here, there is someone to help all technical questions available on email 9 am - 5pm monday to friday and 9 am till 1pm saturday, all
emails should be answered within 2hrs where possible.
to the question :- would need an email with chassis number to answer, but a rough guide is narrow shock spacing early cars wide shock spacing later
cars so if you specify chassis no. , suspension type then we can help
cheers
marc
Thanks, sent you an email
My Blog: http://spdpug98.wordpress.com/
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Johneturbo
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| posted on 18/12/09 at 04:04 PM |
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Spdpug98 what settings did you get? as i think we have the same chassis/set up
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