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is this really a c*aterham ????
rayward - 3/1/11 at 10:57 PM

looks very locust ish to me,

CATERHAM GREEN on eBay (end time 10-Jan-11 21:44:03 GMT)

dvla data has caterham as the make though ??

RAy

Yazza54 - 3/1/11 at 11:05 PM

Looks dodgy to me. Was given in payment of debt... hmmm

coozer - 3/1/11 at 11:12 PM

There's a number there, give him a ring and ask about the V5!

MakeEverything - 3/1/11 at 11:15 PM

sounds more like "Taken in payment of Debt"!!

mookaloid - 3/1/11 at 11:16 PM

just looks wrong - lots of poor detail on the bodywork. and the front suspension looks like triumph herald (like a Locust)

Triumph front suspension was used by Lotus on the Elan I believe but never noticed it on the sevens or caterhams before.

ring a ding again I think

Alan B - 3/1/11 at 11:26 PM

Almost certainly isn't IMO...just looks wrong in so many ways....as Mook says the triumph suspension...I know certain parts were often used like the king pin assy............but the whole front end just looks wrong (for it to be genuine)

mangogrooveworkshop - 3/1/11 at 11:33 PM

No its got cat bits on it but its a locust with a cat reg




I know exactly where thats from.....anorak time
Thats the original cars that robin hood churned out and caterham law sharks went after them..... Im sure of it...

Wheres my reference library in all matters seven?

In 1989, a Triumph TR7 based Robin Hood was introduced with the affordable price tag of £995 + VAT. Motoring enthusiasts showed their support and several kits were sold. Development of the new product was continual and feedback from customers showed that a range of engine sizes were needed, so that more people could afford to run such a vehicle. The Triumph Dolomite superseded the TR7 as donor vehicle, a popular choice with engines ranging from 1100 cc to 2000 cc.

High Court action from Caterham Cars almost stopped production, however legal advice gave a remedy to the problem. Robin Hood Engineering were careful not to deviate from the strict guidelines set down as a result of the action.



This one has obvious been registered a a caterham....dates tie up with the same period.....



westfield was next and then RM sevens and then straw that opened it all BIRKIN......caterham lost that one ...otherwise haynes/champion would have been the next target ..

[Edited on 3-1-11 by mangogrooveworkshop]

britishtrident - 3/1/11 at 11:40 PM

As bent as a 62 Mini.
Locurse or it could be a very early Robin Hood chassis --- but it looks too well engineered for either.

loggyboy - 3/1/11 at 11:40 PM

If its some who doesnt know about the car (looks that way) he may just assume every '7' is a caterham.

britishtrident - 3/1/11 at 11:45 PM

quote:
Originally posted by mookaloid
just looks wrong - lots of poor detail on the bodywork. and the front suspension looks like triumph herald (like a Locust)

Triumph front suspension was used by Lotus on the Elan I believe but never noticed it on the sevens or caterhams before.

ring a ding again I think



Lotus used Triumph front end parts on a all 1960s & 70s cars including the Seven but they never used Triumph wishbones.

MikeR - 3/1/11 at 11:46 PM

Its a locust - well its what it looks like to me.

meany - 4/1/11 at 12:00 AM

I would agree, Triumph based Locust.
or a re-bodied Dutton.

britishtrident - 4/1/11 at 12:14 AM

Bit of research makes me think it is not the early Toledo/Dolomite based Robin Hood as the front suspension mounts on the chassis are too well designed and the suspension is Herald not Toledo/Dolomite.

from NW RHO web site http://nw.rhocar.org/identification.htm




I am more inclined to think Locursed

[Edited on 4/1/11 by britishtrident]

britishtrident - 4/1/11 at 12:29 AM

quote:
Originally posted by MakeEverything
sounds more like "Taken in payment of Debt"!!



"cash on collection only"

Looks like the handbrake is a bit iffy ---- bricks !

locogeoff - 4/1/11 at 03:19 AM

front suspension is pure Triumph Herald/spitfire, mountings et al, I thought the early RH cars where Doli based so I'd have to say it's a locust.

[Edited on 4/1/11 by locogeoff]

Yazza54 - 4/1/11 at 07:10 AM

Anyone gonna message him? See if he changes the ad

speedyxjs - 4/1/11 at 07:33 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Yazza54
Anyone gonna message him? See if he changes the ad


done

DRC INDY 7 - 4/1/11 at 07:44 AM

The tramission tunnel is rounded at the top on the caterham

Yazza54 - 4/1/11 at 07:45 AM

quote:
Originally posted by locogeoff
front suspension is pure Triumph Herald/spitfire, mountings et al, I thought the early RH cars where Doli based so I'd have to say it's a locust.

[Edited on 4/1/11 by locogeoff]



Triumph engine too

dhutch - 4/1/11 at 09:21 AM

quote:
Originally posted by britishtrident
Looks like the handbrake is a bit iffy ---- bricks !
Athough if i was leaving a car stand for a while i would do so with the h.brake off and on a drive with a slope bricks.


Daniel

loggyboy - 4/1/11 at 09:23 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Yazza54
Anyone gonna message him? See if he changes the ad


But its registered as a Caterham, so why should/would he change it just because some 'geeks' pointed out it might not be?! If it was me and I didnt know about the car, id beleive the DVLA over some random messaging me.

zilspeed - 4/1/11 at 09:27 AM

Let's spot the non caterham bits. then.

The relationship between the nosecone and the wheels. Nosecone way too high.
Front suspension has a top wishbone, caterhams don't, they use the roll bar and a top link.
The roll hoop is wrong.
The flat topped tranny tunnel.
The relationship betwwen curve of the rear body tub and the rear arches.
The rear lights
Low rear bulkhead behind seats.


Dash is very RH
Rear body is very RH.

Front suspension is not Dolly based RH.

Definitely using the Caterham V5 though.

MikeRJ - 4/1/11 at 09:38 AM

It's a Locust, no question. The high nose cone and the location of the rear arches with respect to the body and the large gaps between rear arches and wheels gives it away. I certainly "wooden" want it.

richard thomas - 4/1/11 at 09:47 AM

It's a Locust...front suspension is Cortina.

MikeRJ - 4/1/11 at 10:16 AM

quote:
Originally posted by richard thomas
It's a Locust...front suspension is Cortina.


It's Triumph front suspension, which is what the original Locusts used. The later ones (T&J Hornet) used Cortina parts IIRC.

[Edited on 4/1/11 by MikeRJ]

mangogrooveworkshop - 4/1/11 at 10:19 AM

ok i take back what i said ....its a locust same as this picture

scootz - 4/1/11 at 10:58 AM

I think we can safely put this one to bed... definitely not a Caterham!

Next...

mangogrooveworkshop - 4/1/11 at 11:40 AM

quote:
Originally posted by scootz
I think we can safely put this one to bed... definitely not a Caterham!

Next...

what have the cats said on the blat chat?

Liam - 4/1/11 at 11:47 AM

quote:
Originally posted by zilspeed
Let's spot the non caterham bits. then.

The relationship between the nosecone and the wheels. Nosecone way too high.
Front suspension has a top wishbone, caterhams don't, they use the roll bar and a top link.
The roll hoop is wrong.
The flat topped tranny tunnel.
The relationship betwwen curve of the rear body tub and the rear arches.
The rear lights
Low rear bulkhead behind seats.


Dash is very RH
Rear body is very RH.

Front suspension is not Dolly based RH.

Definitely using the Caterham V5 though.


Caterhams have had a full top wishbone for a loooooong time.

I did briefly wonder if it could be one of the earliest Caterhams based on the unloved S4 Lotus, then later DIY rebodied to look more like an S3 model, but naaaah, dont think so. Must be a Locust or some DIY effort. Either way, if the guy took it as debt settlement thinking it was worth Caterham money, he'll be rather dissappointed!! Even a potential Caterham buyer is gonna spot that a mile off and seer clear

zilspeed - 4/1/11 at 11:59 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Liam

Caterhams have had a full top wishbone for a loooooong time.




You have me there.

Quite right of course.

Maybe I was thinking historically....

MikeRJ - 4/1/11 at 12:02 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Liam
Even a potential Caterham buyer is gonna spot that a mile off and seer clear


scootz - 4/1/11 at 12:24 PM

quote:
Originally posted by mangogrooveworkshop
quote:
Originally posted by scootz
I think we can safely put this one to bed... definitely not a Caterham!

Next...

what have the cats said on the blat chat?


Not seen it pop-up there... yet!

richard thomas - 4/1/11 at 12:35 PM

It's definately a T&J Locust - not a Hornet - I started to build one years about 20 years ago before I knew better and quickly realised that it would be a death trap on the road!! Never got finished thankfully....

The body shape is the same - very tall in the scuttle, and the terrible shape of the body sides over the rear arches is the shape that the plans make you cut.

Still maintain that it is Cortina suspension though....that's what mine had!

MikeRJ - 4/1/11 at 12:48 PM

quote:
Originally posted by richard thomas
Still maintain that it is Cortina suspension though....that's what mine had!


Definitely not; the Cortina has (very ugly) pressed steel upper and lower wishbones and has a spring pan built into the lower wishbone. The Triumph wishbones are constructed from separate pressed parts and uses a "coil over" style damper e.g.


richard thomas - 4/1/11 at 01:15 PM

quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
quote:
Originally posted by richard thomas
Still maintain that it is Cortina suspension though....that's what mine had!


Definitely not; the Cortina has (very ugly) pressed steel upper and lower wishbones and has a spring pan built into the lower wishbone. The Triumph wishbones are constructed from separate pressed parts and uses a "coil over" style damper e.g.





I stand corrected! It must be the earlier version of the Locust?



[Edited on 4/1/11 by richard thomas]