found this car on ebay and just wondering what you guys think, how much would it cost for it to be tested as a mk?
Mk Indy - Yamaha Thunder Race 1000cc Bike Powered | eBay
Hi guys/gals my names Steve from Watford Hertfordshire, I'm 26 and completely new to the kit car scene. I've owned a few powerful cars in
the past and currently owned a 300bhp Audi TT which I'm selling to buy my first kit car.
I'm going to have a budget of £4000 to buy a complete car to use on the road and start to do a few track days in.
Really I'm after some advice from you as to what I should be looking for in my budget and will I be able to get a bike engine car for this money?
Also are there any particular brands, engines that I should avoid. I'm 6"2 and haven't even sat in a kit car before but would imagine
there are some that I would fit in.
Thanks in advance for your help
Hi and welcome
You might be lucky and get an MK with a Fireblade or R1 in poor shape at this time of year, but £4k is probably a bit thin, your probably looking £5k+
for a half decent one.
You'll definatly fit in an MK.
A BEC MK will not have the same top speed as your TT, but is will be quicker!
Best get a ride in an MK before you buy one though, I'm sure there's someone near you with a BEC MK that will take you a spin. You wont be
disapointd though.
Good luck
The trick here is to go to the kit car shows where you can look at new and plenty of owners cars.
Entry is free for kit car owners and the big shows get plenty of club stands.
Look for local clubs where you can talk to owners and get a ride.
£4K for a BEC it's possible you just never know what's available on eBay or piston heads
Hi and Welcome.
If your new to this world then you need to get out and about. Put you location up and get out in some cars. People on here local to you will be more
than welcome to take you for a ride and show you around your car. The more cars you see and ride in the more of an idea you will have of what to look
for and what you want.
There are £4K oand less cars about but they wont be as fast as the ones you get a ride in. 1.8 zetecs or 1300 cross flows are out there right now!
Look on pistonheads, kit cars for sale.
The main thing you will notice with these cars is how much fun they are lower speeds and how quick they are on track. On a motorway slip road your TT
will P1SS all over cars costing £8K+. Most of us top out at 120mph, TT is just stretching its legs then!
Use the search facility on this site. Almost every Noobie qustion has been asked many times.
Finally, if your changing cars to get fun time driving and a cheap track day slag to embarrass cars costing lots more than your on the right road.
Hi Steve
You are welcome to have a look at my Indy - I'm 6'2" and fit in fine.
I'm just round the corner from you as well.
Stu
Thanks for all the reply guys much appreciated, as recommended I think I'll try and attend local meets and try and get a ride in some.
Thanks stu, are you going to the classic car meet in Croxley today as I'll be down there myself as I am every year
Might fit your budget?
http://locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=172829
Thanks that is very tempting but I'm ideally looking for a bec for noise and high revs.
My bec on eBay for 3900, my bro 6ft and he's drove it plenty
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Thanks stu, are you going to the classic car meet in Croxley today as I'll be down there myself as I am every year
shame it was a good little meet and some very nice cars, did see a few kit cars but couldnt find the owners.
found this car on ebay and just wondering what you guys think, how much would it cost for it to be tested as a mk?
Mk Indy - Yamaha Thunder Race 1000cc Bike Powered | eBay
quote:
Originally posted by Sierra
shame it was a good little meet and some very nice cars, did see a few kit cars but couldnt find the owners.
found this car on ebay and just wondering what you guys think, how much would it cost for it to be tested as a mk?
Mk Indy - Yamaha Thunder Race 1000cc Bike Powered | eBay
quote:
Originally posted by Sierra
shame it was a good little meet and some very nice cars, did see a few kit cars but couldnt find the owners.
found this car on ebay and just wondering what you guys think, how much would it cost for it to be tested as a mk?
Mk Indy - Yamaha Thunder Race 1000cc Bike Powered | eBay
Ive been doing a lot of research into bec and cec and just got more confused. The idea behind wanting a bec was, 1 because of the engine noise, 2 the
high revs and 3 for some reason I thought it would perform like a bike were it would just keep going to a very high speed.
I've now come to realise that the bike engine acts very different in a car then it does on the bike and can be quick to around 80 but soon runs
out of puff.
Can a zetec engine be as quick as a bike (r1) engine or is it simply for higher top end.
Also I read this on another forum which clearly states that bec an be useless on the road.
There's no clear answer to this one: each type has it's protagonists, some of whom can be obsessively evangelical!
As a rough guide (even individual cars of the same make and model vary):
If you say a Vauxhall engined Seven will weigh around 575 kilos and a Fireblade engined Seven will weigh around 420 kilos.
Allowing for a 75kg driver and 25kg of fuel in both cases, the Vauxhall engined car will give about 296bhp/ton (with much better torque), laden, the
'Blade engined car will give about 240bhp/ton, laden.
BUT, the 'Blade engined car will have much shorter, closer gearing (6 closely stacked, sequential gears, and you'll be bouncing off the
limiter with the engine screaming at 12K revs at maybe 115mph, whereas the 5th top in the Vauxhall might be geared for cruising and give a theoretical
top speed of 150+ mph at about 2/3rds of the 'Blade's revs), so if you keep it in the right gear, in the right part of the powerband,
you'll be able to make very rapid progress.
What this means in practice is that the Vauxhall will give much 'stronger' (more accessible and more relaxed) performance on the road; you
will be able to overtake by simply pulling out and flooring it, rather than having to prepare by changing down two gears, and you won't have to
concentrate on being in the right gear quite so much, or drive everywhere with the engine screaming at big revs to make progress on the twisty bits.
On the road, the sequential gearbox can be as much of a pain as a benefit (they're pretty clunky in slow traffic) and you can't make as much
benefit from the low weight (what you gain from the reduced inertia, you lose skipping about on the ruts and the potholes!).
On the track, you're not worried about 'relaxed' performance, so the 'Blade will gain an edge, because of the lighter weight
(better cornering and braking, if set-up properly) and may well be able to lap a circuit as fast as the Vauxhall car, despite the lower power:weight
ratio. The lack of inertia and the sequential geabox is very nice, on track, too, in terms of feel and sensitivity. Both would be pretty quick,
though: to be honest, it would be as much down to driver skill anyway and you do need to remember that track days are non-competitive, so the last
fraction of a second on lap time isn't really that important either way.
Personally, I tend toward the car engined camp - I'd only want a BEC (particularly a 'Blade engined one) if it was pretty much exclusively
for track use - but there'll be someone from the bike engined church along shortly to say that they're the best thing since sliced bread and
superior to a car engine in every way!
I think you've about got it rumbled, IN THEORY at least.
But you REALLY need to experience both, now you are wavering and FEEL the difference
Yeah, not far out, only thing i want to point out is that in a seven, no matter what engine you will struggle to see 120 ish+ because of the aerodynamic disadvantage.
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Originally posted by eddie99
Yeah, not far out, only thing i want to point out is that in a seven, no matter what engine you will struggle to see 120 ish+ because of the aerodynamic disadvantage.
Ok thanks guys so in short the bec will be quicker but constantly pushed to its limits and not to comfy round town, cec will be slightly slower but
engine not being pushed and comfier round town.
Bec sounds like more fun but possibly too much hassle
You have arrived at the conclusion that most do, having not driven or been in a BEC.
A properly set up one is no more uncomfortable, difficult to drive or troublesome than a CEC, less so than some.
You must get to try both before you decide, else you will miss out
Hey guys I've still not had any luck with finding the right one, maybe I'm too fussy. I've seen a few nice bec examples but without
reverse gear and that's one thing that I would like as I can't imagine anything more embarrassing than having to push it back in public
lol.
If anyone finds a good example while looking around please let me know.
£4k-£5k budget, ideally bec with reverse and wet gear.
I wouldn't hold out for one with reverse. With a little bit of forward planning, you're unlikely to really need it. Having said that, our
old man got stuck in a car park recently. 
The car park was surfaced with shale and he couldn't get sufficient foot grip to push it backwards.
He had to wait until someone turned up to give him a helping hand........
Phil
I know there's not many with reverse but I'd like to use the car on the road a lot and even simple things like parking outside my
girlfriends would be impossible without reverse.
I take it all cec still have the reverse
Yes, all CEC have reverse gear. We've had our BEC on the road since 2004 and haven't missed reverse gear but I guess if you need one,
then you have no choice........
Phil
I think your going to struggle to get weather geared and reversing BEC for 4-5k
Mines 3.5k with wet gear spend a couple of quid and fit your own reverse
How much would it cost to buy and fit a reverse gear?
This is a new thread in itself
Electric £2-400?
Gearbox and props £6-900
haha i wont go there then, ive found 2 cars that i like the look of but just wondering if anyone here recognises any of them or can tell me if they
seem well specd. one has a live axel which im not sure is a good or bad thing.
http://forum.wscc.co.uk/forum/index.php?/topic/95751-westfield-se-c20xe-road-legal-competion-car-you-saw-it-1st-here/
MK Indy Kit Car Honda FireBlade engine | eBay
Just spotted a third option which is the mnr r1 in the for sale section but it has a few issues like speedo not working, running rough and clutch abit
odd oh and needs mot.
Does seem quiet nice though and has the reverse that I'll need if I went for bec
NTDWM but SYLVA STRIKER KIT CAR HONDA BLACKBIRD ENGINE HILLCLIMB RACE / TRACK CAR | eBay might fit the bill?
IMHO, the MK is not correctly registered and the Westfield looks like a cheap car with some nice parts.
It is coming to the end of the 'season' and if you can wait I'm sure there will be some bargains to be had later in the year.
That's a good point about end of season, where's good to keep a look out for kit cars for sale apart from this site of course?
Welcome to LCB, steve - I just wanted to say that, for a newbie, you seem to have an excellent theoretical grasp of the CEC / BEC differences! You
pretty much summed them up in a few short paragraphs. Well done!
Now, what you really need to do is twofold-
Number 1 is DON'T rush and buy something you may end up regretting later. - However tempting they sound.
Number 2 is - take the advice a couple of people on here have already suggested, and go and sit in ( & try for size!) a few kits - find a couple
of guys on here near you - most jump at the chance to show off their pride and joys, some will even let you drive them if you're lucky. You need
to experience each of the Bike / Car engined variants - that will help you make a much more informed, intelligent choice - THEN find one that
suits.
Take you time, and Good luck.
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Originally posted by tul214
NTDWM but SYLVA STRIKER KIT CAR HONDA BLACKBIRD ENGINE HILLCLIMB RACE / TRACK CAR | eBay
IMHO, the MK is not correctly registered and the Westfield looks like a cheap car with some nice parts.
It is coming to the end of the 'season' and if you can wait I'm sure there will be some bargains to be had later in the year.
quote:
Originally posted by Sierra
Hi thanks for your reply, can I ask what you mean by the Westfield being a cheap car? Is it a bad body/chassis or the fact it's old?
Thanks
Oh ok thanks, what are the 1989 westfields like as a base? Are there any issues to look for on them?
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Originally posted by loggyboy
quote:
Originally posted by Sierra
Hi thanks for your reply, can I ask what you mean by the Westfield being a cheap car? Is it a bad body/chassis or the fact it's old?
Thanks
as in its good value!
[Edited on 28-8-12 by loggyboy]
quote:
Originally posted by stevegough
Welcome to LCB, steve - I just wanted to say that, for a newbie, you seem to have an excellent theoretical grasp of the CEC / BEC differences! You pretty much summed them up in a few short paragraphs. Well done!
Now, what you really need to do is twofold-
Number 1 is DON'T rush and buy something you may end up regretting later. - However tempting they sound.
Number 2 is - take the advice a couple of people on here have already suggested, and go and sit in ( & try for size!) a few kits - find a couple of guys on here near you - most jump at the chance to show off their pride and joys, some will even let you drive them if you're lucky. You need to experience each of the Bike / Car engined variants - that will help you make a much more informed, intelligent choice - THEN find one that suits.
Take you time, and Good luck.
Will definitely try to get to the show at the weekend, where can I find info on the show?
Appologies for this in advance but deatails are here
Haha thanks for that it sent me to an interesting site that I haven't been on in a whole at first 
How would something like this perform on track and on the road, also any rough ideas on weight?
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/4198765.htm
I had seen that and in my mind had hatched a plan of buying it without the engine and sticking
this in it.
What about the car as is, with the v8
The Striker is a good car renownd for it'shandling. There are several versions though with different front suspension (in-board springs, out-
board springs and early ones with complete Chevette front suspension) and it's not clear which that is.
With a heavy V8 up front it won't be as nimble and balanced as you might like in the corners. A light, revvy car engine (Toyota 4age?) or better
still a bike engine, and it'd fly.
The car sold.
Any thoughts on this one
FORMULA 27 KIT CAR COSWORTH TURBO
http://item.mobileweb.ebay.co.uk/viewitem?itemId=251147152472&index=2&nav=SEARCH&nid=37855992638
F27 seem to ave a decent reputation but it all depends on the build quality.
Not sure about this bit though...
"...The car is the most fun you can have on four wheels. It can be driven to any show or any gathering as it is registered in 1967..."
I'd check whether it's correctly registered as an F27 or still the donor on the V5. Pre-SVA cars could say the original cars date on the V5
(don't know to be honest) but some cars were never correctly registered when built. When SVA came in there was an amnesty (long since finished)
to get them corrected, but some slipped through the net. Getting it sorted now is difficult.
Well that answers that then....
Eddited to add, when I looked earlier the ad had been pulled!
Something ebay didn't like either? But it's back now
[Edited on 11/9/12 by ReMan]
WTF is the battery isolater doing on the back panel.
You stop at the lights and any f*ckwit could just twist it out?
Leave that one alone IMHO
Your right, I seem to be desperate and looking at all sorts. I need to be more patient and wait for the right one, just gutted I recently missed out on a right bargain