Well, 9am this moring on a rather damp country road I put down a little too much power on the exit of a luckily slowish corner, the back came out and
I headed down the verge into a line of trees.
The front end is totaled, bent front chassis, broken wishbones on side, lots of broken bodywork. The back passenger side hit as well, ripping off the
rear wing and rear panel, and bending the roll-over bar.
Luckily the only damage to myself is a bitten tongue, whiplash, and a very achy back and shoulders. I've also got nice red marks from the safety
belts.
So, looks like it's not for sale anymore, now have to wait to see what the insuarnce company says. Hopefully they will let me keep it as
salvage.
I'll post some pics once I get the camera from work tomorrow as I'll know you lot wil want to see the mess I made.
Oh dear!
Ned told me about it when we arrived at Box Hill. Couldn't quite see all the damage on the picture you sent by phone
We were late arriving, and by the time we had a hot drink, Hicost had gone.
Glad to hear that you are in one piece, (although no doubt very sore).
Hopefully see ya soon.
ATB fozzie
o man that sucks ,glad your ok tho
Unluck Jasper, it really was a nice clean build
Glad your ok.
Don't want to sound like a vulture, but if you get it as salvage will you sell the bits or build another? I know you've mentioned building
another one in the past. 
Cheers
Glad you came out of it reasonably intact. The bitten tongue sounds nasty!
It's so easy to lose the back end on these things - I did it the other day, but fortunately there was nothing in the way, except open road. I was
able to catch it without problems.
rgds,
David
quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
It's so easy to lose the back end on these things
Thankfully you're o.k. and hopefully will get your money back and the car as salvage.
Hey Jasper sorry to hear the bad news but glad to hear you are OK. Once the insurance and salvage is sorted you know what to do next dont you. That
nice little kit we were looking at in Exeter.
You might finally end up with something faster than my Saab.
Glad to hear your OK Jasper, Don't fret the tongue will grow back
And what little kit from Exeter is Paul talking about?
Take care Dan.
glad your ok mate,has been slip slidey latley
sorry to hear the news Jasper, GR8 car. u built there, glad its only your pride thats damaged, if you get chance to buy, BUY, wished id'e snapped
the isonblade back.
The little buggers can bite.
Cheers chaps - wish it had of been completely wet, then I would have just spun. But cos it was a small patch the back went a little, then gripped, and
drove me straight into the verge.
Hopefully I will get the salvage - then I'll probably put all the bit's on here, or the wreck for a re-build. Wouldn't take much, bit
of fabrication up the nose end, pair of new wishbones, new rad and fan, and some bodywork.
As for the next project, I'm rather taken with the SSC Stylus RT, but it will have to wait till the extension is built
[Edited on 2/1/05 by Jasper]
The main thing is you are ok
We will catch up at the next month i'm sure.
Some pics off the cameraphone for you
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and another
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back end
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tree damage
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That looks very nasty indeed!
Glad your not hurt more than you are after seeing that...
Phew
I best not let mrs bob see that.
Glad your ok though mate,you can tell us the tale at newlands next month.
Jasper,
Whats all the fuss about, it looks better than it did now.
Glad to hear you are not wounded Jasper.
Bad luck
Bad luck Jasper, glad you're okay.
It looks like exactly the same damage as Alex Roebuck's car after he stuffed into a bank at his first
trackday. His was a lovely car, and by the pictures it looks like yours was as well.
I'm glad you're ok, must have scared you s**tless.
Adam
Oh crap... sorry to hear you smashed it up. Never got to see it either
Hope you get it sorted
If you get any problems with your claim, give me a shout, remember, I do claims like you do teddy's!
Have a hot bath, it will sooth the soreness
Glad you are OK
Bad luck Jasper, hope you recover quickly, Had 10 stitches in my tongue once, it still works O.K. Rusty
Evidently a yellow 7 left the road on the A24 at Findon today as well,i spose theres a moral there somewhere.
The sun might be out but that doesnt mean its summer
Was sorry to hear the news Jasper, glad your ok though see you at the next meet with the new car plans !!
Jason
sorry to hear that the cars been damaged Jasper - it was one of the nicest cars on here.
Glad you came off better than the car!
When my metro turbo got hit when parked 10 odd years ago, I was told the insurance co might keep it. So, I got the comp[any that recoverd it to bring
it to my home asap. After that, possesion was 9/10ths of the law, and I told the ins co to factor the car into the settlement.
its your car at the end of the day, and they pay for the damage / repairs - why should they keep it?
wether you want to will depend on the value they give to the wreck.
atb
steve
Hard luck Jasper, glad you're OK.
Not being morbid but at least you survived, one of the Blatchat crowd didn't this Christmas in his 7 accident, not the best time to loose a loved
one.
Rob,
I don't mean to be morbid either, but have you got any more details? If we knew the circumstances it could stop it happening to someone on here?
Jasper,glad you're more or less ok. Good luck with the insurance claim and enjoy the trip to Wales.
Regards,
Ian
sorry to hear of your accident mate . and as with everybody else on here i'm just glad you are ok, cause at the end of the day thats the main thing. hoping you have a speedy recovery. scott
quote:
Originally posted by hicost
The person died on New Years Eve, no more details have been given and the thread is now closed.
What can you say... we have all had a close one in our tin tops and im sure in the 7even.
This time of year the roads are wet and greasy and not really performance orientated.
Thats coming from me who is running in a new engine today so I am being very sensible, and a little more since the recent news over the festive season
Tough break Jasper, though glad it's not all bad news. Just put it behind you ASAP and get on with it all again.
Jasper
There is an old saying; "It all ends out for the best".
I am sorry about the car, but it looks like it did its job well in the end. That tree looked solid.
Take care, and get better soon, physically and otherwise.
KT
are the roads more slippery this year?has it got anything to do with councils gritting the roads to prevent the cock ups of last year? Hope you get well soon
not nice, and the whiplash can last months, hope it goes quickly, a nice massage twice a week will help, and if you can find a topless one, even
better!!!
glad your ok thou matey, and you said bikes were dodgy!!!! (hehe) still aint trashed my 2 wheels....
Stiff as a board this morning ....... at least the tongue is not quite as black. Some kind soul donated me a couple of Diazpam last night - so I slept
well!
Booked me a Czech masseur in Prague for Wednesday afternoon - I know it's a long way to go for a rub down, but I'm sure it will be worth it
Jasper,
Sorry to hear of your misfortune and hope that body and car mend quickly.
Cheers,
Colin
Only just seen this, very sorry to hear of your accident Jasper. I guess that's going to take more than a spot of T-Cut to fix
Well,
At least I know how well I should expect my welds to hold up based on how well yours have done there Jasper
Glad you're ok, catch up soon...
Ned.
Sorry to hear about the accident.
As for the insurance... Its NOT theirs until You sign it over to them.
rule 1. Never accept the first offer.
rule 2. Keep the car if you can. You dont want to go through a SVA again do you?.
Take the car on a trailer to Their assesor / repair place. They probably wont be able (or want) to fix it. Then you buy it / deal for a lesser cash
payout. Rebuild it. even if its a new chassis etc.. Its got to be easier than buying in all those bits again, and the hassle with the postage etc.
I would not let it go especially if its as good as everyone has said.
Last word... Its your property until you sign it over to the Isurance Co.
Take care, and hope you recover quickly..
Ned, the welds did all hold up very well, just lots of bent metal.
Cheers for the insurance tips. I do intend to keep hold of it. I spoke to them this morning, they are treating as a 'no fault' cause by ice
on the road. They have contacted a local repair garage who will contact me about a quote - hahaha, we know what they will say when they realise what
it is.
first dibs on the front brakes then please?!
Ned
Wilwoods, uprights, wheels, quick rack, etc will be kept for next project!
oh well, worth asking
Good to know you're alright Jasper... whiplash can be a bugger to get rid of! At the very least you are not on your own...
ATB
quote:
Originally posted by wilkingj
Sorry to hear about the accident.
As for the insurance... Its NOT theirs until You sign it over to them.
rule 1. Never accept the first offer.
rule 2. Keep the car if you can. You dont want to go through a SVA again do you?.
Take the car on a trailer to Their assesor / repair place. They probably wont be able (or want) to fix it. Then you buy it / deal for a lesser cash payout. Rebuild it. even if its a new chassis etc.. Its got to be easier than buying in all those bits again, and the hassle with the postage etc.
I would not let it go especially if its as good as everyone has said.
Last word... Its your property until you sign it over to the Isurance Co.
Take care, and hope you recover quickly..
Hi Jasper
I've only just seen this thread, sorry to hear the news after all that hard work, glad you're ok though. Give me a call if you need any help
with the car.
Eric
belated sympathy - It could happen to any one of us.
Unlucky
Mark
My K Reg Passat was classed as a Cat C write off, (dent to nearside front wing & door) & despite not making a claim, my insurers contacted the DVLA (in error as I had not claimed) and a marker was put on the car. I had no knowledge of this until I sent off the Log Book for a change of address. I ended up having to drive to Exeter to have VOSA check my car to make sure it had not been ringed. Not sure if I would've had to have the car inspected if I hadn't moved, but had claimed salvage? PIA
It would appear from a Pistonheads post that a Ginetta driver had a very similar accident and injuries.
That makes about 6 accidents now.
Will everyone just stop crashing their Locosts please!
The rest of us want to be able to afford to insure ours!
James
Hi Jasper
Sorry to hear of your accident a real shame as your car was a peach.
More importantly though, glad to hear you are okay (hope the aches and pains go soon).
Best wishes for a speedy recovery and claim settlement.
Jim
just heard a rumour that another well known car on this forum was written off before xmas and its not gone public yet
Jasper
Do you think the car is repairable, in a garage at home with someone who knows how to weld? How much bent metal is there and do you think the whole
chassis is bent?
I'm only asking as i 'may' be after a 7 in the near future and if yours is salvagable (cat 'c' and all that) i may be
interested.
Keep me posted (U2U)!!
Andy
[Edited on 6/1/05 by donut]
dont forget the ison blade can be added to the list.......
atb
steve
quote:
Originally posted by ned
just heard a rumour that another well known car on this forum was written off before xmas and its not gone public yet
you'd b rite there Pete...
not me this time though.......
yup Steve the isonblade can be add'd, and the 1st GT1, the 2nd ones still ok though:
[Edited on 7/1/05 by Jon Ison]
these bike engine cars, 2 written off within about a week i don't know...
jon, are you still in contact with the guy who bought the isonblade as salvage? is it back on the road yet?
Ned.
[Edited on 7/1/05 by ned]
quote:
Originally posted by ned
just heard a rumour that another well known car on this forum was written off before xmas and its not gone public yet
quote:
Originally posted by Hellfire
The car has been crashed, thankfully knowone was seriously hurt.
The damage to Hellfire is terminal, the chassis was pretty severely bent, it has also twisted the whole structure.
The insurance company have declared it a write off. We are planning a major rebuild
we are currently sourcing a new engine... a new chassis has been ordered.
The rebuild will be documented on this site... watch this space!
well, not publicised on this forum then tim.
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ok i'll give you that one then
but why a new engine ?
guessing they haven't bought it as salvage, by the looks of the pic it was taken in a salvage yard, prob where it was recovered to..
Ned.
Who's is it?
hellfires by reading tims post....
Yeah, just been on their website. What a pity, I only ever saw pictures of the car, but it looked awesome.....
I heard about it a while back but I didn't want to spill the beans. As long as it's only pride that's permanently damaged it's not so bad. How soon can you get started on a new one then?
quote:
Originally posted by Peteff
I heard about it a while back but I didn't want to spill the beans. As long as it's only pride that's permanently damaged it's not so bad. How soon can you get started on a new one then?
Both accidents are a real shame, very good to hear everyone is ok though.
Both cars looked like excellent cars and the safety gear did it's job.
I'm sure you will both be back on the road again soon whether it be by repairing or building new. Must say I am looking forward to reading about
the revuild on Hellfires excellent site, kind of missed the updates since the build finished!!
Good luck to you both.
Rich.
FYI. My brother is an insurance ombudsman so if you need any particular advice then let me know.
OK then Shortie, heres a question. The Indy was insured in my name. One of the named drivers had the accident, not myself. When/if I come to insure another vehicle, I assume this claim will count against me but will consideration be given to the fact that it wasn't me personally who had the accident or will it make no difference whatsoever?
Shame about the crash - glad to hear everyone is OK.
If you build a new IDENTICAL chassis and put everything else onto it would you need to re-register the car as it would technically be a new one? Hence
you'd have to do an SVA again wouldn't you?
[Edited on 8/1/05 by chunkielad]
no, it would not need re testing. you are allowed to rebody a car, but you cant change it (or much at least).
it is a bit of a grey area. if it was a recorded writeoff it would still need an inspection before it was allowed back on the road, but not a full
SVA.
I've done a few ordinary cars from salvage yards and only ever MOT'd them to put them back on the road.
Wow - i thought new chassis meant it was seen as a new car and therefore had to be treated as such.
I'm learning lots on here - you guys are top!!
the old example of the woodsmans axe is often mentioned - he's had it 30 years, 3 new heads and 5 new handles though...
or blacksabbath! no original members left (think its them anyway...)
[Edited on 8/1/05 by JoelP]
Hmm New chassis on both my Landrovers only needed a Mot..
I think it was classed a Category 'C' write-off which means its damage is repairable. As far as I know, it can be rebuilt using a new chassis and then a VIC check before its put back on road. Not sure about the registration plate though and if we keep the same number.....
Excellent - I assume that'd be less painful than the SVA - then again there are beurocrats involved still!!!
Just got back from 4 great days in Prague, had a fantastic time, though looking up at all those amazing building was not helped by whiplash!
Hellfire - really sorry to hear about your car, glad you didn't suffer anything more serious too. Had the most unbelievably painful massage by
some Czech bird on Wednesday and one by my 'regular' local lady last monday and one booked for next Tuesday, they really have helped a lot -
definitely worth doing.
Had a quick glance at the car from the back in the garage - also noticed that where the rollbar hit a tree it has also bent the rear end of the a
little chassis too.
The chassis is well repairable, just a little welding work at the front nearside and new wishbones, and a bit more work on the rear quarter. New GRP,
some new ali panelling (or repair) at the back, new rad, fan, rollbar.
I will (with Mark's help ) get as much out of the insurance company as I can, then sell what left either as a whole or broken.
Cheers again for all the info and thoughts....
quote:
Originally posted by chunkielad
Wow - i thought new chassis meant it was seen as a new car and therefore had to be treated as such.
I'm learning lots on here - you guys are top!!
Mark, for us, the cost of the repair exceeded the insured value, which is why the insurance company decided to write it off. Other than a cheque from
the insurance company, we have had no paperwork to complete and send off. Will the insurance company advise DVLA?
quote:
I think it was classed a Category 'C' write-off which means its damage is repairable. As far as I know, it can be rebuilt using a new chassis and then a VIC check before its put back on road. Not sure about the registration plate though and if we keep the same number.....
My landrover was involved in a small prang when a Golf GTI jumped lights and drove under my drivers door. Due to the amount of door/body work needed, it was classed as a repairable writeoff. His insurance firm gave me a cheque and I fixed it myself. I've retaxed it and MOT'd it many times since with no problems. Might I have difficulties if I sell it ?
The vehicle is only tabbed if you make a claim. If you change address, then your Log book will not be re-issued until you forard the VIC certificate to DVLA
Cat A - A total write off with no salvageable parts, usually a burn out of a spectacularly bad crash. Salvage value £0
Cat B - Very heavy damage where the existing shell will never be allowed on the road again, the salvage is break only. Salvage value 5-15%
Cat C - Moderate damage, can be returned to the road if properly repaired. Salvage value 15-25%
Cat D - Constructive total loss. Light damage not structurally affecting the value of the car. Typically a single panel damage, break in, stolen
recovered. If the pre incident value of the car is less than £2000, it is not recorded by DVLA.
I am hoping that Jaspers car will not be categorised at all, by doing an estimate which is below 66% of the pre accident value, hiking up the value
(he may need emails sending to the assessor by a number of locost experts attesting to the pre incident value - consider yourselves primed!!). He will
be given a cash in lieu (of repair) payment so he can repair the car. This gets the assessor off the hook from any additional repair responsibility,
and give Jasper a bundle of cash to legally repair his car using a new chassis and any other parts required, and still retain its original identity.
Ouch, sorry to see these - very worrisome .
Most of the crashes and close calls seem to be "too much throttle in the corner, and a quick spin".
I bet most of us (at least those that aren't experienced racers) get right off the throttle instinctively as the rear end steps out. It sounds
like the car oversteers even more, even if we have time to steer into the slide. Makes me wonder if these things have a trailing throttle snap
oversteer tendency.
Does that sound right? What needs to be tuned shock/spring-wise to reduce it for the street?
Mike - I'm sure that was the case with me, even though I know not to come off, it's very hard not to when they 'snap'.
BTW - Insurance company have agreed to settle, so the whole thing is now available in the For Sale section.
[Edited on 31/1/05 by Jasper]
I read something interesting the other day (well, I thought it was interesting! ) - apparently police drivers are taught to dip the clutch if they go
into a spin. It doesn't directly help recovery, but FWD and RWD cars behave exactly the same in a spin when the clutch is dipped, so the same
recovery technique can be used for both types of car.
I was always taught never to upset the balence of a RWD car when in a tight corner, especially changing gear or braking, as the weight transfer can
cause the tail to go. I was very surprised when I drove a fast FWD caar at Silverstone and the instructor was getting me to change gear wherever he
thought fit!
David
I used to have an old 2.0L DOHC Sierra and by god could it scare me in corners. The first time it stepped out, I instinctively blipped the throttle
and steered into the skid. It pulled out and so did my ring piece
I don't know why I didn't come off the throttle - maybe I'm a natural driver
Most would let go!!!
quote:
Originally posted by chunkielad
I used to have an old 2.0L DOHC Sierra and by god could it scare me in corners. The first time it stepped out, I instinctively blipped the throttle and steered into the skid. It pulled out and so did my ring piece
I don't know why I didn't come off the throttle - maybe I'm a natural driver
Most would let go!!!
quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
I read something interesting the other day (well, I thought it was interesting! ) - apparently police drivers are taught to dip the clutch if they go into a spin. It doesn't directly help recovery, but FWD and R snip
David
quote:
Originally posted by MikeP
Ouch, sorry to see these - very worrisome
Most of the crashes and close calls seem to be "too much throttle in the corner, and a quick spin".
I bet most of us (at least those that aren't experienced racers) get right off the throttle instinctively as the rear end steps out. It sounds like the car oversteers even more, even if we have time to steer into the slide. Makes me wonder if these things have a trailing throttle snap oversteer tendency.
Does that sound right? What needs to be tuned shock/spring-wise to reduce it for the street?
Dipping the clutch keeps you going straight too, right? Rather than recovering traction and jumping off in some random direction- I remember the
mantra "When you spin, both feet in".
I *think* theory for reducing trailing throttle oversteer is to soften rear rebound and/or front bump on the shocks - slowing the weight transfer to
the front when you get off the throttle. But I *know* that theory and reality often at odds in the black art of suspension tuning .
Me too Jasper - I know what to do, but it's really hard to do it in an emergency - I don't have the same instincts as chunkielad...
Hehehe, we cross posted BT. Good, so I'm on the right track then, softer shock settings would help - good to know.
quote:
Me too Jasper - I know what to do, but it's really hard to do it in an emergency - I don't have the same instincts as chunkielad...
Maybe a good driver wouldn't get into the
scrape in the first place!
quote:
Originally posted by MikeP
I remember the mantra "When you spin, both feet in".
quote:
Originally posted by Northy
quote:
Originally posted by MikeP
I remember the mantra "When you spin, both feet in".
So that would be clutch and.......?
.
Brakes so the spinning car keeps going in one direction - other drivers have a better chance to avoid you.
Clutch so the engine doesn't stall - you can drive away if you're not too dizzy .
yup, if a slide becomes a spin, best to stand on the brakes to prevent it biting back as it grips up. trouble is, you are normally instinctively
applying steady gas and opposite lock when it begins to slide - even if it becomes unrecoverable it is not natural (instinct) to stand on the brakes.
My little 106 Rallye is awful in the wet. In the dry in can outgrip most things, but in the wet its just too stiff. Only today I got it sideways on
the roundabout in front of my work. As soon as it understeers you just have to back off a tiny bit and the back end comes round, the first time it
happened it scared the hell out of me, but now i can provoke it and if i get back on the throttle a tiny bit it is a lot more controllable and doesnt
just feel like im sliding on ice.
It took a while to be able to get over the initial reaction to back off completely though. Now in the wet i take it very easy and only on roundabouts
i know and use everyday i will try and get the back out.
Its all because of the stiffer arbs and the torsion beam at the back.
I just read the news that you had this accident a while ago and wanted to tell you I'm so sorry about it, specially since I had a very similar
accident on the road which destroyed my first Locost (Jon's).
I can remember very well the first time I got into a Locost / first time I got into a BEC, I felt things difficult to describe, I was very very
impressed by your car, fell in love with these cars, felt scared to death (you took me for a blast with no reg ), became obsessed until I bought
one. It was a very intense period in my life which started that very evening I first met you and your Locost, and I thank you for all that.
Really sorry Jasper, and really happy to read you are fine. Also happy to hear you are getting your money back through insurance (just as I did): At
least you had decided to sell it so it's not so bad.
"You fool!!!" (literal quote from some post of when I had my crash ).
quote:
Originally posted by greggors84
My little 106 Rallye is awful in the wet. In the dry in can outgrip most things, but in the wet its just too stiff. Only today I got it sideways on the roundabout in front of my work. As soon as it understeers you just have to back off a tiny bit and the back end comes round, the first time it happened it scared the hell out of me, but now i can provoke it and if i get back on the throttle a tiny bit it is a lot more controllable and doesnt just feel like im sliding on ice.
It took a while to be able to get over the initial reaction to back off completely though. Now in the wet i take it very easy and only on roundabouts i know and use everyday i will try and get the back out.
Its all because of the stiffer arbs and the torsion beam at the back.
It's front wheel drive though so it doesn't really compare. Just let go of the steering wheel and it'll straighten itself up. Problems
start when you flail the wheel round trying to catch it and go too far so you then go too far the other way. Little steering wheels don't always
make it easier either I've found. They do look cool though
Sorry to hear Jasper, Glad you are ok. Look forwards to getting back on the road.
Just like riding a bike
Cheers mate. The car sold on Ebay the other day, which was great. Unfortunately I've got to put all the money I've got for it into my new
house - so there wont be any car building for a long while now
quote:
Originally posted by Jasper
Cheers mate. The car sold on Ebay the other day, which was great. Unfortunately I've got to put all the money I've got for it into my new house - so there wont be any car building for a long while now