Originally posted by Mr Whippy
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Originally posted by dinosaurjuice
To me this 'box' would be worth ~£300
doh now you've done it...he was going to sell it for £150....
I work for a firm that makes aftermarket car electronics. Another division of the company remanufactures car engines. Vauxhall mostly, for historic
reasons. We could easily make a box of electronics that would allow a stock engine managment ECU to work outside the original car without the need
for all the other electronics to be fitted. Basically you would have our box, the ecu, a battery and a key and it would all work.
So how many kit cars are sold a year? Sure, we would only sell our box of electronic magic to a fraction of those, but a fraction of what?
Would the DVLA tell you how many they register per year?
Granted the DVLA aren't always the easiest people to deal with, but that may give you a more accurate figure to work from!
I doubt there is anyway to tell.
Kits dont appear on 'how many left'.
I doubt DVLA would be able identify kits from any other new cars being registered, not without knowing someone in the DVLA who can do some selective
searches anyway.
VOSA might be more helpful, but again, I doubt their records will distinguish kit cars vs any other car being IVA'd. Again it would be about
'who you know' not 'what you know'.
Some of the specialist insurers would know, whether they would be helpful is another question!
try
https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/vehicles-statistics#publications-2017
go to whichever quarter you fancy, select the tables bit which downloads a zip file. Pick the biggest .ods file (opens in excel) and start
filtering.....
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Originally posted by loggyboy
I doubt there is anyway to tell.
Kits dont appear on 'how many left'.
I doubt DVLA would be able identify kits from any other new cars being registered, not without knowing someone in the DVLA who can do some selective searches anyway.
VOSA might be more helpful, but again, I doubt their records will distinguish kit cars vs any other car being IVA'd. Again it would be about 'who you know' not 'what you know'.
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Originally posted by hughpinder
try
https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/vehicles-statistics#publications-2017
go to whichever quarter you fancy, select the tables bit which downloads a zip file. Pick the biggest .ods file (opens in excel) and start filtering.....
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Originally posted by smart51
I work for a firm that makes aftermarket car electronics. Another division of the company remanufactures car engines. Vauxhall mostly, for historic reasons. We could easily make a box of electronics that would allow a stock engine managment ECU to work outside the original car without the need for all the other electronics to be fitted. Basically you would have our box, the ecu, a battery and a key and it would all work.
So how many kit cars are sold a year? Sure, we would only sell our box of electronic magic to a fraction of those, but a fraction of what?
quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
quote:
Originally posted by smart51
I work for a firm that makes aftermarket car electronics. Another division of the company remanufactures car engines. Vauxhall mostly, for historic reasons. We could easily make a box of electronics that would allow a stock engine managment ECU to work outside the original car without the need for all the other electronics to be fitted. Basically you would have our box, the ecu, a battery and a key and it would all work.
So how many kit cars are sold a year? Sure, we would only sell our box of electronic magic to a fraction of those, but a fraction of what?
why do you think only kit car builders do engine swaps? ever heard of the custom car scene??? it's quite big...
why not have a look at the number of engine changes done if the DVLA data shows this (I haven't had a look), it must be in the thousands. Loads of people want to put modern engines in older cars but always the complexity of the electronics is a major put off. I've seen vw campers with the donor cars dash dials in the engine bay just cos the immobiliser for the engine ECU needed to have it connected.
I would have thought most people who wanted to buy a box to make a stock engine run would rather buy an aftermarket ecu and have all the tuning
options open that come with that.
Those happy with the stock ecu would probably be doing so for cost saving reasons so the magic box would need to be priced to suit.
From speaking with the iva guy when I was getting my car done they iva around 150 kitcars a year in Nottingham alone.
They are the busiest centre they told me this was 3 years back.
I don't think the market is that big.
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Originally posted by jossey
From speaking with the iva guy when I was getting my car done they iva around 150 kitcars a year in Nottingham alone.
They are the busiest centre they told me this was 3 years back.
I don't think the market is that big.
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Originally posted by luke2152
I would have thought most people who wanted to buy a box to make a stock engine run would rather buy an aftermarket ecu and have all the tuning options open that come with that.
Those happy with the stock ecu would probably be doing so for cost saving reasons so the magic box would need to be priced to suit.
One thing that makes an ecoboost install expensive is the ECU needed to run the direct injection malarkey.
I reckon a fair number of people would be interested in an alternative to the expensive options currently available for something that would give you
a modern, economical 250bhp out of a standard lump.
To me this 'box' would be worth ~£300
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Originally posted by dinosaurjuice
To me this 'box' would be worth ~£300
quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
quote:
Originally posted by dinosaurjuice
To me this 'box' would be worth ~£300
doh now you've done it...he was going to sell it for £150....
I don't know the detail of the selling price of our stuff. I do the reverse engineering and write the software. I'd guess a CAN box with
ignition switch and light switch inputs would probably be more at the lower price than the higher one. The cost is not in the electronics, it's
in the time spent working out what to do.
I think you're right about the ecoboost engine. They're good engines as fitted to Fords but with the boost turned up, they're even
better.
The real Issue with the ecoboost engine is the direct injection.
There is an aftermarket ecu for £1400 already and others for a few grand.
The engines are pretty cheap around £1800 for the 1.6 crate
I think the bmw engine would be a better bet as it seems that donors will maybe move in that direction slowly but surely.
The red top. Engine will run out soon and the blacktop focus engines will disappear too leaving less and less options.
David