I'm getting pressure from my lad to put a bike engine in the car (and from Lotusmark2!!!
)
I have a 1.6 pinto and am about to get a 2.0l DOHC in the next few days.
Does anyone round here (Northwest) have a car with a 1.6, 2.0 or bike engine and is willing to take me for a spin so I can make my mind up?
I'm getting a bit head jammed from all the options!!! Looks like I'm getting a Q Plate anyway so I have no issues there - just want to see
if it's worth the extra money or if it'll just scare me!!!
Me pressure never
cbr or ZX10 you know it makes sense.
On a serious note though mate, knowing what you want to do with your beast once it is done the 2.0 will be more than quick enough (if you want you can
drop the 1.6 at my place so I can play with it
May well do that when I've decided mate as the 1.6 was free BUT it has been stood a long time and there is no oil in it!!!
What sort of work would this need? I really wanted to just put an engine in as engines are NOT my strong point!!!
Back to the drive though - ANYONE?
Well here it is......Scotlad took me for a ride in the bec and that was it.......out with the boat anchor and into the screaming jap metal.
Get a ride in both and then make your choice. Early Fireblades are popular as you don't have to worry about emissions, that's the route I
have gone down.
Bike engines are pretty much fit and forget, I was very apprehensive as like you I did not have much engine knowledge. I found the blade engine very
straightforward and obviously the gearbox and engine are all one so that makes things easier.
Alot of people now go for the R1 as the blade engines are becoming harder to get hold of.
My personal opinion is for bike engines but each to there own, awesome noise, awesome power and sequential shift, just the job for me.
Rich.
I have to say that the bike engine is VERY tempting but I'm not sure it isn't overkill!!!
Do I need that much power? Do I WANT that much power!!! I also don't want to get out and push to reverse as I am LAZY!!!
A spin in both is defo what I want but there aren't many builders in my area with completed cars by the looks of it!!
do you want that much power,,,,,,,yes
do i need that much power,,,,,,,,,,,,yes
why,cause whatever you fit it wont belong till you wish you had more
go for the bike
Would still like a drive out though just to push me one way or the other.
Maybe I'll have to drive a ways to get to someone but I really would like a sit in a moving version of each.
Let me guess, I bet once you've had a ride in a Bike Engined car you will build that, just a hunch but I reckon that's what will
happen!!!
You know it makes sense!
What about going to MK and getting a ride in one, Sat mornings there are usually some owners there, give them a ring and ask.
Rich.
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Originally posted by shortie
Let me guess, I bet once you've had a ride in a Bike Engined car you will build that, just a hunch but I reckon that's what will happen!!!
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What about going to MK and getting a ride in one, Sat mornings there are usually some owners there, give them a ring and ask.
I had a ride in Jon Ison's BEC - I wanted one of them as well - but realised that either (1) I'd stuff the car into the scenery due to lack
of skill with a high power-to-weight car, or (2) lose my licence through driving too fast!
Mind you, risk number 2 is still valid, with my 1660 X-flow car!
David
You see, this is what gets me, I've got a 1.6 Pinto sat there but will need work and a 2.0L DOHC comming that may need work.
If I work on these, I'm still gonna have a bloody fast car and do I really want to loose my license? You only go as fast as your right foot but
mine is made of lead, It's really difficult to lift!!!
I'm not sure I'll live long in a BEC!!!
But then think 'what if??' and you will always think the same until you go for it. Probably worth thinking about when you are going to
drive the car, if it's everyday to work for instance then car engine may be better but for weekends and sheer thrill factor I reckon bike is the
way to go.
Take it on track, then you won't lose your licence and you can use the power and have loads of fun.
I reckon installation work it is much much easier than a car engine.
Bear in mind also that the preferred diff for a BEC is 3.62 (or less) so you may need to change the whole rear end. Although I think there are alot
of people using the 3.92 with a bike engine.
Rich.
I haven't checked what the diff is yet mate - was it a 3.92?
I keep leaning towards the bike engine but there is also the cost aspect of it all!!! Engines for less than £50 or bike engine for about £500 and
added bits to make it work and add reverse!!
It's a 3.92 if I remember rightly that's why I got another one, and it's not LSD.
You'll be lucky to get a bike engine with all the bits for less than about £1000.
Rich.
[Edited on 28/1/05 by shortie]
YOU SEE THERE'S THE OTHER ISSUE THEN!!!
I don't think I can commit to that sort of extra fundage without knowing if it's the right thing to do - a drive out HAS to be the answer -
will contact MK and see what they say.
Defintely the best idea but as I said I reckon it will be BEC for you!
The best bet for your own piece of mind mate.
£1000 for an engine!!!!
Hmm think I would stick to the good old CBR1000 for around the £500 mark
Get yourself along to the meet on every third (??) Wednesday of the month at Chinley Head. Theres usually a good mix of cars turn up and I'm sure
they would be obliging to take you out for a spin. It's not too far away from you. Send MK Ninja a U2U to confirm it still takes place.
You know I never thought of that either!! I think I'm losing it in my old age!!!
What would a 600cc engine be like? I can get tons of them cheap but would it be worth it?
600cc - not enough grunt and smaller more fragile clutches = screaming slipping clutch to make it move off the line.
At least you would become pretty handy at changing clutches after a few weeks of use
600's are fine on bhp (most around 80-100bhp) but lacking in torque so I would not think they would be much good for the locost.
You will still be looking around £400 for an ok 600cc with everything so not a great saving over a 1000.
You're right to think long and hard - I went in Jon's BEC and 'had to have one'. Built it, loved it, then got a bit fed up with
it, then stuffed it into the scenery!!
Pro's - loads of power, sequential box, easy install, excellent on the track
Cons - I found it a hard car to drive 'sensibly', it was all or nothing, so it was usually all!, they are noisey, cold and really
'solo' cars, crap on long distance or dodgy weather, sequential box can be a pain, no reverse, and by the time you've fitted it, quite
a lot more expensive.
You've got to think what you'll use the car for most. My next one will have a car engine
Thanks for talking sense Jasper
This ios the info I need - I am not 100% sure that a bike engine is the be all and end all!!!
Yes they have their place but is that infront of me whilst I drive my 9 yr old son around?
Maybe not!!! Plus the expense!!
BUT what about track days? What about if I get an off road bit of fun run tarmac? A bike engine would be a scream!! I think I'll see what the
2.0L DOHC needs doing to it before I make a decision!!!
Best to get a drive in both before you decide.
As Jasper says there are pro's and con's to both.
For me it would be bike engine every time, the more powerful the better. But it really depends what YOU want.
Can't really say which is best , but I don't think the 2litre D.O.H.C. engine is worth fitting. Would be better to look at a 2 litre pinto lump if the 1600 is no good. If the 1600 is o.k. you could get car on the road and maybe change it at a later date?
im about a hours drive from manchester ,if you want to come down i can take you for a little spin,only up the road but you should get the idea,,ask
colmaccoll what he thought of it
There is an alternative plan - put a cheap but lively car engine in for a while and get the hang of driving the car. Then save up, get a bike engine,
prepare it for the car and fit it when it's ready. If the old engine, gearbox and driveshaft are tidy you should get a reasonable amount when you
sell it on.
You'll get the chance to learn how to drive the car while it's still manageable, and you'll REALLY appreciate the bike engine when it
finally gets fitted.
I have a fairly modest x-flow in at the moment, and that's a BIG laugh - the thought of 50% more power with 50% of the engine weight scares me at
the moment!
(but it may yet happen...)
David
OX I may well take you up on that fella cheers!!!
All we hae to do is fine a dry and warm day to sort it!!! Jeeze is it cold recently!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think you've got it Dave I'll go car and get a bike engine later if I feel like I need the extra
What is wrong with the 2.0L DOHC? I had one in a Sierra years ago and it went like stink. I'll be putting it in a car half the size (if not less)
and take all the pressure off it. I know it's heavy but I weight 16.5 stone so trying to save weight is a little futile as it's going to go
slow with my belly in it anyway!
i'll be back on road in around 2 weeks, too, feel free to call in for a "spin"
Cheers fella - give us a shout when ready.
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Originally posted by chunkielad
What is wrong with the 2.0L DOHC? I had one in a Sierra years ago and it went like stink.
i wish id started with a bike engine rather than a car engine. I've got a car in the garage that i cant be arsed finishing cos it seems boring
(1.6 pinto)- if it had a bike engine, i would be out there getting the bodywork finished, rather than sitting in here working out the cheapest easiest
way to get it through SVA so i can crack on with the next car. i actually feel like scrapping it sometimes and buying a mechano kit... 
MNR vortex,
but then i actually want le mans styling. damn bodywork...
Keep with it Joel, I guarantee that the1.6 Pinto will handle much better than anything you are likely to have driven before!! Then you could always
upgrade at a later date anyway.
I have the Macsorley &+442 chassis so I think I'd get away with the 2.0L DOHC height and width wise (extra 2" high and 4" wide).
THing is, with a great deal on a FZR1000 engine, I think I'm about to go daft and BEC the car into a Locomaha!! Or Yamacost.
I have had a ride in a 2.0 Pinto locost, and decided it needed more power. Havent been in a bike engined car, so thought a 220bhp Rover V8 will have
to do me. Hope I have done the right thing.
Viento is heavier, so more torque needed as well..
Joe, mine started life with a 1.6pinto, get it finished n on the road, drop that bike engine in as a winter project.
Chin up.