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is this worth the money ???
wacomuk - 21/3/05 at 10:26 PM

Engine and running gear
2ltr zetec (low milage)
twin webber 45`s alpha mapped 3d ignition
4 in to 1 stanless steal exhaust
MT75 5 speed box with remote change
rear axle 3.9 diff with full indipendant rear suspention
LSD
front and rear disk breaks

BODY
red and chrome
17" alloys

INTERIOR
seats as stated by customer
full set of ETB dials
12" mounty wheel with collapsible boss
willans 4 point harness
full screen wipers

SVA included

£9500


??? WHAT DO YOU THINK ??


big_wasa - 21/3/05 at 10:29 PM

depends on the quality of the work?????


wacomuk - 21/3/05 at 10:33 PM

they are very well finished off they really look the part

iv been on the westfield fourm and there all telling me not to buy it cos its to much

i know the bloke who will be making it he is a mate of my dads


phelpsa - 21/3/05 at 10:36 PM

As said on WSCC, change the 17s for 15s, but good other than that.

Adam


DaveFJ - 22/3/05 at 02:55 PM

A 3.9 LSD ?????????


JamJah - 22/3/05 at 02:57 PM

Everything worth what someones willing to pay. Are you happy to pay that much?


wacomuk - 22/3/05 at 04:35 PM

quote:
Originally posted by JamJah
Everything worth what someones willing to pay. Are you happy to pay that much?


i dont want to pay 9k for somthing that in 12months time is only going to be worth about 5k


ned - 22/3/05 at 04:43 PM

you haven't said what chassis it is??

if it's a westfield/luego/stuart taylor/mk then as a turnkey car it is worth the money based on what thoe manufacturers charge (although not built by the factory, unless your dad's mate works there?)

As a privately built and sva's car it's worth less imho, even if it is to order. With a factory turn key car you have some sort of comeback if anything goes wrong, would you if your dad's mate built it?

You will always loose money on a car as soon as it comes out of the show room, very few cars don't (normally limited edition runs or exotica) this is a fact of life.

Whether its worth the money is your decision as already said, it's only worth what someone is willing to pay.

Ned.

[Edited on 22/3/05 by ned]


phelpsa - 22/3/05 at 04:55 PM

Westfield i think

Adam


wacomuk - 22/3/05 at 05:13 PM

im not sure what chassis it is ill try and find out tonight ! is there alot of difference in chassis ?

he will give me 12months guarantee

I under stand I will lose some money on it I just don't want to lose to much
I don't want to find out its only worth 50% of its value after 12months when I could buy a second hand Westfield and poss lose less


wacomuk - 22/3/05 at 05:25 PM

iv just rang http://www.mac1motorsports.co.uk/index.html
they said for that spec it would be £13500


ned - 22/3/05 at 05:33 PM

so is it a mac1 chassis?

the make of the chassis will affect the resale value imho.

for the money you may be better off buying a good low milage used example. there are a lot of them in the kitcar mags and could be a better spec/price. for example i recall seeing a good vauxhall xe westfield in this months which kitcar for similar/less money. you'd be less likely to lose money on a good value newish used car. Also, when would the car be ready if your dad's mate bulit it, would it be ready this summer? buying a prebuilt car will have you enjoying it quicker. will it be registered on an age related plate, q plate or new 05 reg?

i'm not saying don't do it, just check out all the options before making youyr decision.

what is the reason for having one built? to have a new car/ known origin/ history/ new parts/ engine ?


wacomuk - 22/3/05 at 05:42 PM

the chassis isnt mac1 i just rang them to get a price to compaire

the car would be ready in 1 month and would take the dona cars reg

im having 1 built because iv no where to build one my self


wacomuk - 22/3/05 at 10:15 PM

he has offerd me a tiger super for 8.5k its build up and ready for the test, its the same spec (zetec etc)
it look like this (this is not the car tho)


is this better value ??


Avoneer - 22/3/05 at 11:36 PM

You can have my Avon for £6k.
Pat...


wacomuk - 23/3/05 at 07:02 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Avoneer
You can have my Avon for £6k.
Pat...


spec and pics please daviddesj@blueyonder.co.uk


kingr - 30/3/05 at 10:23 PM

quote:
Originally posted by wacomuk
the car would be ready in 1 month and would take the dona cars reg



If that's the case, then run far away - it shouldn't ever have the same reg as the doner .

Kingr


thekafer - 31/3/05 at 03:45 AM

quote:
Originally posted by hicost
What are those little creatures that live under bridges and charge you to go across???????????

Round these parts we call'em liberals........


DarrenW - 31/3/05 at 09:46 AM

In terms of a cars worth there are many factors. A Ford Mondeo may have the same spec as a Mercedes E-class and do the same job but their worth is very different.

A home built Tiger can be offered for 9.5K buts value against a Mac#1, MK, Westie or Caterham is very different. Each manufacturer has developed there product, some better than others so essentially they are all different.
A 13K factory built Mac#1 may be worth 10K after a year or 2's careful useage. A home built Tiger may cost 6 / 7Kto build, sold new for 9K but in all probability will be worth 4 / 5K in the same time period.To illustrate better, im building a ZR but i know it wont be worth 13K when finished.

I agree with the above comments that if resale and loss is the main concern then a 2nd hand Caterham is probably better value. I suspect the motivator in buying a se7en is not resale, more enjoyment etc therefore if you are happy with the 9K option then go for it and enjoy it. I would advise however going to see 3 or so factories so you can see there standard to help you make the final decision.

The more people you ask the more 'advice' you will get based on very different experiences.


wacomuk - 16/4/05 at 09:39 PM

i bough this in the end


JoelP - 16/4/05 at 09:41 PM

for a brief moment i thought that that said sPd on the side


Peteff - 16/4/05 at 11:38 PM

Why not? My locost has, issued by Sheffield office after SVA.


matt_claydon - 17/4/05 at 10:03 AM

As far as I've read you are not supposed to be given exactly the same registration number, although obviously it's very common to be given one of the same age. I think they are supposed to give you one that was never issued previously so that no confusion could ever arise as to what the car was (due to out of date databases or similar).

Cheers,
Matt.


Kissy - 18/4/05 at 08:40 AM

DVLA have a points scheme where you declare the origins of the main components, if you can score above their threshold for the donor car they'll let you have the reg. no. of the donor, my mate just did it for a cobra replica.


DarrenW - 18/4/05 at 09:18 AM

Wacomuk,

Looks like a very nice car. What is it? spec?


ned - 18/4/05 at 09:29 AM

vauxhall xe westfield, prob about £8k


JoelP - 18/4/05 at 12:43 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Kissy
DVLA have a points scheme where you declare the origins of the main components, if you can score above their threshold for the donor car they'll let you have the reg. no. of the donor, my mate just did it for a cobra replica.


i thought that the points system was to determine if you got an age related or Q plate. strange


wacomuk - 19/4/05 at 08:11 PM

quote:
Originally posted by DarrenW
Wacomuk,

Looks like a very nice car. What is it? spec?


1996 SEiW

Navy Blue

Approx 4000 miles

Well set up Road and track car with proven success

7”x15” alloys with 205x50x15 Toyo Proxes tyres in very good condition

16v red top Vauxhall engine with twin 45 Dellorto carbs (pipercross filter)and 8v dizzy,

3 core radiator

Lightened flywheel

ARP big end bolts

New clutch plate and release bearing

New Bosch battery

SBD alloy , baffled, shallow sump

New Red top fuel pump and Filter King regulator

Converted to cycle wings

Includes sidescreens and hood (red leather)

RAC rollover bar

Spare wheel & tyre

Quick rack

CAT widetrack suspension

21/4” AVO shocks

Front and rear Anti Roll Bars

Uprated springs

Poly bushes fitted

Willwood 4 pot brakes

Drilled and grooved front disks, rear drums

Type 9 - 5 speed box with Westfield gearlever extension

3.92 sierrra diff and drive shafts

FIA Cut off switch

Playskool GRP seats

Willans 4 point harnesses

Fuel tank breather


greggors84 - 20/4/05 at 06:14 PM

quote:
Originally posted by JoelP
quote:
Originally posted by Kissy
DVLA have a points scheme where you declare the origins of the main components, if you can score above their threshold for the donor car they'll let you have the reg. no. of the donor, my mate just did it for a cobra replica.


i thought that the points system was to determine if you got an age related or Q plate. strange


I was pretty sure that if you got enough points you got an age related plate, so the same prefix as your donor but not the same reg. If you didnt get enough points you get a Q reg.

There seems to be so much difference between DVLA centres that anything could be true though!


wacomuk - 22/4/05 at 05:50 PM

something hit the sump last night and put a big hole in it engine now dead

[Edited on 22/4/05 by wacomuk]


phelpsa - 22/4/05 at 05:54 PM

Bad luck, but at least it gives you the chance to put a bike engine in it

Adam


Northy - 22/4/05 at 07:04 PM

How dead?


ned - 22/4/05 at 10:56 PM

if it was a conrod, very dead, if FOD and loss of a bit of oil then prob repairable..

any more info wacom blokey?


wacomuk - 25/4/05 at 04:52 PM

looks like iv hit a brick, its smashed the alloy sump the engine is seized (starter wont turn engine over) iv managed to get another vx lump, its a runner and got a coscast head


ned - 25/4/05 at 09:55 PM

glad to hear you're getting it sorted, how's the sump guard design coming along?

Ned.


wacomuk - 26/4/05 at 04:18 PM

quote:
Originally posted by ned
glad to hear you're getting it sorted, how's the sump guard design coming along?

Ned.


lol 3mm thick steel plate !!!!!!!!


wacomuk - 29/4/05 at 12:50 PM

engine is now out and sump is off!





sump has gone off for welding and skiming


ned - 29/4/05 at 12:53 PM

are the block/rods salvagable? had it lost enough oil that it turned the bearings?

Ned.


wacomuk - 29/4/05 at 01:01 PM

everything is solid ill just keep the head


ned - 29/4/05 at 01:06 PM

not worth stripping down to see what the damage is or if a hone and new rings might sort it? suppose if its picked up that badly could be new pistons aswell! might be worth holding onto/stripping as a spare or for bits though..

Ned.


Northy - 29/4/05 at 05:08 PM

wacomuk,

Where in the country are you?


wacomuk - 2/5/05 at 07:45 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Northy
wacomuk,

Where in the country are you?


northwest (wigan)


wacomuk - 5/5/05 at 03:47 PM

sump is fixed




welded skimmed and leak tested £95

the new lump should be back in the car by the weekend


ned - 5/5/05 at 09:05 PM

ouch! not a cheap repair, but then again repair was half the cost of a new one i guess...

keep us informed

Ned.


wacomuk - 8/5/05 at 12:32 PM

the crank is catching the baffel in the sump this is cause i had the sump skimmed i hope i can bend it abit to get it out of the way


ChrisGamlin - 9/5/05 at 09:48 AM

How does skimming the sump affect the relationship of the baffle and crank? Surely to have any effect on that, you'd need to skim the bottom half of the block?


ChrisGamlin - 9/5/05 at 09:50 AM

Sorry, ignore last post, I thought the baffle sandwiched between the sump and the block but its actually mounted inside the sump.
In which case, could you not get the 4 little mounting posts machined down by the same mount, therefore moving the baffle down as well (putting it slightly closer to the base of the sump)

[Edited on 9/5/05 by ChrisGamlin]


ned - 9/5/05 at 09:56 AM

the baffle plate in the ally sump is quite thick iirc, i'd prob just (carefully) take a dremel or grinder to it, perhaps do a dry assembly of the parts or measure the distance or if you know the amount that was skimmed off the sump face/flange machine that amount out accordingly. are you still using the standard vauxhall windage tray that goes between the block and the sump?


Peteff - 9/5/05 at 01:15 PM

Put three gaskets in and take a bit off the crank webs .


wacomuk - 9/5/05 at 04:16 PM

quote:
Originally posted by ned are you still using the standard vauxhall windage tray that goes between the block and the sump?


yep


wacomuk - 27/5/05 at 10:26 AM

right got new lump in and its running! used 2 sump gaskets to clear the crank after afew miles the crank oil seal started to leak so new one of them went in all is good un till (10 miles later @ about 20mph) the cam belt tensioner decided to die the belt came off, all the valves are bent so im about £400 out of pocket and i still cant drive im westy CACK!!!!!!!!

[Edited on 27/5/05 by wacomuk]

[Edited on 27/5/05 by wacomuk]


ned - 27/5/05 at 10:30 AM

was it a late engine with the plastic tensioners?

sorry to hear of your misfortune, maybe next time you'll put a cambelt kit on it??!

you just never know with second hand high milage units out of hot hatches or off ebay

best of luck again..

Ned.


wacomuk - 27/5/05 at 10:34 AM

the engine was out of a 93 cav with a cat

you live and learn cam belt kit is a must from now on !!!


ned - 27/5/05 at 10:53 AM

do you still have the head from the other engine? was that all intact (valves etc), can it be a straight swap? head bolts/gaskets only come to about £50..

Ned.


wacomuk - 27/5/05 at 08:15 PM

quote:
Originally posted by ned
do you still have the head from the other engine? was that all intact (valves etc), can it be a straight swap? head bolts/gaskets only come to about £50..

Ned.


yes the head from the other engine is ok and im concidering swapping it over, i need a head gasket kit / head bolts / cam belt KIT!!!!! and the head skimmed i could prob get it all dun for around £100


wacomuk - 5/6/05 at 09:35 PM

all parts have been bought! the head will go off for skimmimg this week


Jeffers_S13 - 6/6/05 at 09:53 AM

Are you registered on the SXOC ? think I recognise your boardname.


scotlad - 9/6/05 at 05:06 PM

good luck mate- the bad luck has to run out soon i've been involved in a few xe nightmares myself but they're good engines! although not as good as a bike engine.................


wacomuk - 10/6/05 at 03:15 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Jeffers_S13
Are you registered on the SXOC ? think I recognise your boardname.


yes mate !! im mostly in the s12 section as iv got a nissan silvia turbo
this be it
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/wacomuk/DSC00044.jpg

[Edited on 10/6/05 by wacomuk]


wacomuk - 10/6/05 at 03:16 PM

quote:
Originally posted by scotlad
good luck mate- the bad luck has to run out soon


hears hoping


wacomuk - 10/6/05 at 11:13 PM

looks like the westy back on the road this weekend !


wacomuk - 14/6/05 at 09:47 PM

the westy is back !!!!