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DarrenW - 26/4/06 at 09:08 AM

Was it my imagination or has Robin Hood actually taken over Westfield? ie has it been officially announced?

If so does that mean Westfield owners will need to be issued with new stickers to celebrate this alliance?


emsfactory - 26/4/06 at 09:28 AM

??????????????????????? Where did you hear that?


iank - 26/4/06 at 09:40 AM

Here probably:
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=42644


muzchap - 26/4/06 at 11:04 AM

Phew - and there was me worried about not having a manufacturer

Westfield huh - talk about fall from Grace!

Rather like my industry when EIDOS got bought out by SCI

[Edited on 26/4/06 by muzchap]


Mr G - 26/4/06 at 02:22 PM

quote:
Originally posted by muzchap

Rather like my industry when EIDOS got bought out by SCI


I was in that Industry once too, managed to escape though

Where you at sir? (thread Hijack)


G


MikeR - 26/4/06 at 03:37 PM

yeah i'm curious as well, not in the industry, just an abuser of the product. Suspect you work with a friend of a friend.

Bro is in the industry. Based in sheffield, used to be a close relation to a sprite who hated water and shouldn't be fed after midnight, now he's put on a lot of weight.

(that should be obvious enough to anyone in the industry)

if you really like your trivia, he used to be a "real football fan" (now that is getting obscure and i've probably got the quote wrong).


Mr G - 26/4/06 at 05:50 PM

quote:
Its probably all B.S; if that happened I would start a club called the Orginal Westfield Owners Club.

It would be like Reliant buying Ferrari!!



muzchap - 26/4/06 at 08:19 PM

Im @ the place that made Colin McRae famous and once produced quality games like BMX Simulator (LOL) and Sensible Soccer. We also do RaceDriver3 and Brian Lara....

MIKE - I notice a certain 'gremlin' in your quote there ;-)

[Edited on 26/4/06 by muzchap]


MikeR - 26/4/06 at 10:42 PM

Can't see why you've noticed a gremlin. I thought it was full of Info gram-atically correct data.

Of course he's put on a lot of weight now. (trying to think how i can twist this next bit round)

In fact he's so fat and what with working with computers he's a bit of a binary wrestler.

Now whilst we've got this hijack going, can you figure out the "real football fans" bit? Actually you probably can if you play football.


Mr G - 27/4/06 at 12:01 AM

Lol, one of the Darlings picked us up from the local station in his sportscar of the time (Can't remember what it was though - Don't think it was an exotic) when we were going to do a game for them. Also got to and see a race at brands Hatch - Their hospitality suite was a double decker bus parked in the middle of the infield


iank - 28/4/06 at 11:00 AM

http://www.totalkitcar.com/news.php

Quote "Rumours of an acquisition of a fellow leading manufacturer are well-founded and the deal is according to Rowley 99% completed."

They've also announced a Porsche 959 Speedster copy.


DarrenW - 28/4/06 at 11:10 AM

2 new models EVERY year!!!! Blimey, that will take some managing. Sounds like they have some agressive plans afoot. Can only be a good thing for the industry.


iank - 28/4/06 at 11:18 AM

quote:
Originally posted by DarrenW
2 new models EVERY year!!!! Blimey, that will take some managing. Sounds like they have some agressive plans afoot. Can only be a good thing for the industry.


Assuming they can avoid getting sued to death by Porsche and Ferrari...

They will certainly have the scale of operation to dominate the industry if they want to.


DarrenW - 28/4/06 at 11:22 AM

getting sued would certainly put the cat amongst the pigeons!

Mind you Robin Hood has a tradition of taking from the Rich to give to the poor!!!


MikeR - 28/4/06 at 11:27 AM

Ok, here's a suggestion.

You run robin hood. You realise that you don't have a reputation for producing the best 7, but, you do have a reputation for producing a cheap 7. You want to introduce new models as the & market is crowded and i suspect margins are going down.

Buy Westfield, maintain the position near the top of the tree (and i assume higher margins). This allows your brand (lightweight etc) to gain from them and still strangle the lower end. Economies of scale mean more profits through out.

Robinhood can then move to producing other vehicles, eg the spider copy and make potentially more profit on them.

Seems a good idea, the only issue is making sure the westfield brand doesn't get 'tarnished' with the robin hood one. The industry is small so word will travel fast. I'd expect westfield to stay exactly the same for at least a year.

what do you think?


iank - 28/4/06 at 11:43 AM

quote:
Originally posted by MikeR
Ok, here's a suggestion.

You run robin hood. You realise that you don't have a reputation for producing the best 7, but, you do have a reputation for producing a cheap 7. You want to introduce new models as the & market is crowded and i suspect margins are going down.

Buy Westfield, maintain the position near the top of the tree (and i assume higher margins). This allows your brand (lightweight etc) to gain from them and still strangle the lower end. Economies of scale mean more profits through out.

Robinhood can then move to producing other vehicles, eg the spider copy and make potentially more profit on them.

Seems a good idea, the only issue is making sure the westfield brand doesn't get 'tarnished' with the robin hood one. The industry is small so word will travel fast. I'd expect westfield to stay exactly the same for at least a year.

what do you think?


I agree, I think the Skoda, VW, Audi model could keep the 'brands' suitably distinct.
I doubt most westfield buyers would even know who owned the company.


G.Man - 30/4/06 at 07:09 AM

From RHS website...

quote:

Update 28th April 2006 -We are pleased to announce RHS has now agreed terms to acquire another kit car manufacturer-if completed (it is still early days) this will give RHS a brand new sector of the market-different to the Lotus 7 style cars but still high volume in its sector around the world



Implies not 7esque


rusty nuts - 1/5/06 at 04:51 PM

Noticed at Stoneleigh that Westfield didn't have the XTR2 on display . I wonder?


theconrodkid - 1/5/06 at 04:55 PM

Just to clear this gossip up.Chris Smith addressed us all at Stoneleigh today and stated that he and his wife are the owners of Westfield Cars and have no intention of ever selling the buisness.This was after the speculation of the Robin Hood senario.All westie owners at the show looked very relieved,me included.

stolen from pistonheads


ned - 1/5/06 at 05:42 PM

i don't remember porsche ever making a convertible 959 but there was one on the rh stand today and it looked poo.

and incidentally if i did ever get very ill and decide to make a cheap car look like a ferrari i'd go for the pug 406 v6 coupe rebody, not the mr2 - at least with a v6 you've got a bit more oomph and a better sound even if it is still horribly wrong (eg engine in wrong place!).

Ned.

[Edited on 1/5/06 by ned]


iank - 1/5/06 at 07:36 PM

quote:
Originally posted by ned
i don't remember porsche ever making a convertible 959 but there was one on the rh stand today and it looked poo.
...



They had managed to get the cash for some real porsche badges I noticed. Silly buggers asking to get sued.

If not westfield, then who I wonder. Cobra's are the only other things that seem to sell in large volumes.


MikeR - 1/5/06 at 10:49 PM

quote:
Originally posted by ned
i don't remember porsche ever making a convertible 959 but there was one on the rh stand today and it looked poo.

and incidentally if i did ever get very ill and decide to make a cheap car look like a ferrari i'd go for the pug 406 v6 coupe rebody, not the mr2 - at least with a v6 you've got a bit more oomph and a better sound even if it is still horribly wrong (eg engine in wrong place!).

Ned.

[Edited on 1/5/06 by ned]

Did look at that and thought it looked nice, the bit i find a) funny and b) probably what i'd do if i was doing this is ......... that they do an option to remove the rear seats and put a fake firewall and fake engine in the back of the car.


MikeRJ - 2/5/06 at 01:52 PM

quote:
Originally posted by ned
i don't remember porsche ever making a convertible 959 but there was one on the rh stand today and it looked poo.

and incidentally if i did ever get very ill and decide to make a cheap car look like a ferrari i'd go for the pug 406 v6 coupe rebody, not the mr2 - at least with a v6 you've got a bit more oomph and a better sound even if it is still horribly wrong (eg engine in wrong place!).

Ned.

[Edited on 1/5/06 by ned]


I think you'll find an MR2 Turbo would considerably out-oomph a 406 V6! 245bhp vs 210bhp in stock form, and 300bhp is not expensive to reliably extract from the 3SGTE lump. Will be the first to admit that the V6 is leagues ahead in terms of sound quality though

Personaly I would never want to be inside one of the MR2 based 355 replicas, the ridiculously large rear wheel spacers look dangerous. I reckon owners must be a dab hand at replacing wheel bearings...

Anyone noticed that the quote about RH acquiring another company seem to have been removed from totalkitcar.com?

[Edited on 2/5/06 by MikeRJ]


iank - 2/5/06 at 04:45 PM

quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ

Anyone noticed that the quote about RH acquiring another company seem to have been removed from totalkitcar.com?

[Edited on 2/5/06 by MikeRJ]


Indeed it does seem to have gone awol, though it's still on the front page of http://www.robinhoodengineering.co.uk, so it's unlikely to be them that asked for it to be removed.


chrisg - 3/5/06 at 01:45 PM

This is the story I got from a reliable source at stoneleigh.

It's a wind-up.

A Westfield owner turned up at Robin Hood and wanted to buy some lights, the new owner, being a mischevious type refused, because of Westfield's unwillingness to sell bits to other seven drivers.

The westfield owner took exception to this and complained on one of the Westfield forums. This got back to RH and they started the takeover rumour as a form of "pay back"

He swears he only told four people, but EVERYONE at Stoneleigh had heard!

Cheers

Chris


Volvorsport - 3/5/06 at 06:46 PM

ned , you dissapoint me

its the MD's car that 959 speedster

its how it came from america - it obviously wont be badged as a porsche .

it will be based on a VW golf running gear with 1.8T engine in the back , double wishbones all round , full tube chassis/monocoque .

personally not my cup of tea .

RH have the best seven IMHO , theyve just not realised it yet .


ned - 3/5/06 at 07:23 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Volvorsport
RH have the best seven IMHO , theyve just not realised it yet .

oh do tell


Volvorsport - 3/5/06 at 07:30 PM

im sure you heard/read about it over the past year


MikeR - 3/5/06 at 07:30 PM

promise if you just tell us four (not sure who the other two are) we won't tell anyone else


Volvorsport - 3/5/06 at 08:08 PM

well , dont forget profit is always more important than turnover .


MikeR - 3/5/06 at 10:34 PM

I'd guess you're refering to the lightweight, but thats already released so i'm confuzed.


ned - 3/5/06 at 11:00 PM

quote:
Originally posted by MikeR
I'd guess you're refering to the lightweight, but thats already released so i'm confuzed.

ditto

maybe launched too early in a badly finished state hence the unaffectionate pet name 'the cheese grater'

Ned.


iank - 4/5/06 at 08:13 AM

quote:
Originally posted by ned
quote:
Originally posted by MikeR
I'd guess you're refering to the lightweight, but thats already released so i'm confuzed.

ditto

maybe launched too early in a badly finished state hence the unaffectionate pet name 'the cheese grater'

Ned.


So the Porche was real? Sticking it on the stand was a little cheeky then.

As for he best 7, could it be the shiney new one (well shiney new chassis) RH have been showing off?


DarrenW - 4/5/06 at 08:52 AM

quote:
Originally posted by chrisg
This is the story I got from a reliable source at stoneleigh.

It's a wind-up.

A Westfield owner turned up at Robin Hood and wanted to buy some lights, the new owner, being a mischevious type refused, because of Westfield's unwillingness to sell bits to other seven drivers.

The westfield owner took exception to this and complained on one of the Westfield forums. This got back to RH and they started the takeover rumour as a form of "pay back"

He swears he only told four people, but EVERYONE at Stoneleigh had heard!

Cheers

Chris



The cynical streak inside me might draw the conclusion that the Westfield owners started the counter rumour to discredit the original one.........

All i know is that when ive commented on how nice their RH is to 2 different Westfield owners ive had an adverse reaction and yes i was at a safe distance away, especially when i suggested to the first that his car would make a nice donor for a RH

To be honest if Westfield are looking for a new buyer they could do a lot worse than RH. At least they have good market presence and huge amounts of forward vision. If Ford can run Aston Martin without degrading that brand then no reason why RH cant run Westfield as a premium brand.


Volvorsport - 4/5/06 at 09:19 PM

the best seven they have there , is the one i designed and built !!! , of course thats my opinion .

the new hood 'will' be a match for the leading competitors , ill make sure of that .


Syd Bridge - 5/5/06 at 08:49 AM

Heck,
I've still got a set of moulds for the Porsche 911 Turbo, even got a half built car out back that I've been wanting rid of for yonks. I wonder if RH would be interested?

They may even revive the market, I could make a few bob!

Cheers,
Syd.


Volvorsport - 5/5/06 at 09:28 AM

ring me up on tuesday !!!


MikeR - 5/5/06 at 04:57 PM

i guess yes they might be interested then