tax exemtp?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
02GF74 - 4/10/06 at 03:53 PM
how can that be? were
the rules different in 1097?
mark chandler - 4/10/06 at 04:10 PM
If you can convince the DVLA tht the majority of the car is sourced from one donor that is tax exempt then yes.
This was much easier a few years ago, I can remember a mkII escort that used to be rallied on an 'h' plate legally, this was because the MKI
shell became very battered and by swaping everything over it became registered against the mechanics.
Lots of older kits are registered as heralds, escorts etc, I used to run a rebuilt land rover on 1972 plates for years although nothing on the car
ended up being more than around 3 years old. You just keep sending off the documents to show new engine number one month, new body next, new chassis
the month after ........ and it evolves.
Regards Mark
ned - 4/10/06 at 04:18 PM
quote:
Originally posted by mark chandler
If you can convince the DVLA tht the majority of the car is sourced from one donor that is tax exempt then yes.
This is wrong.
This may have been the case when the car was built but now even if you use a tax exempt donor the car is registered as new on the date it is
registered although it may be given an age related plate.
Gone are the days of pre sva just use the donor reg and v5 but dvla will acknowledge it as a kitcar.
Ned.
iank - 4/10/06 at 04:57 PM
quote:
Originally posted by mark chandler
If you can convince the DVLA tht the majority of the car is sourced from one donor that is tax exempt then yes.
This was much easier a few years ago, I can remember a mkII escort that used to be rallied on an 'h' plate legally, this was because the MKI
shell became very battered and by swaping everything over it became registered against the mechanics.
Lots of older kits are registered as heralds, escorts etc, I used to run a rebuilt land rover on 1972 plates for years although nothing on the car
ended up being more than around 3 years old. You just keep sending off the documents to show new engine number one month, new body next, new chassis
the month after ........ and it evolves.
Regards Mark
Not anymore, the tax exempt status stays with the chassis. The only way to get around it is to replace with an OEM or equivalent new chassis and move
over the VIN plate.
The kits registered as escorts and heralds are all going to have real problems when they are caught. The herald ones can probably be corrected if
they use the original chassis, but the escort ones are going to lose tax exemption and require SVA to stay on the road.
Peteff - 4/10/06 at 05:27 PM
It doesn't work like that (in the words of the fat bloke on the advert) I've seen a couple of kitcars that have been kept as tax exempt
historic vehicles but they were pre-SVA and retained donor registration number as well. There is a traffic in old Land Rover and Mini log books trying
to keep tax free status.
DIY Si - 4/10/06 at 05:35 PM
As said, the chassis is the bit that remains tax exempt. Hence why mini's and landies can be "altered" by simply changing the vin
plate(s). The plod/dvla never know as you just change the older V5 to show a different engine number. There's only 1 plate on a mini anyway. Or
so I've been told.
mark chandler - 4/10/06 at 08:57 PM
Although I seem to have received a lot of flack I still stand by what I wrote.
You need to arrange for the DVLA to visit to verify the old car is genuine before you start, if they are happy you can proceed and retain status.
They may want to visit during the restoration.
As an example Buy a heritage shell for a pre 1973 MG, swap all the bits across and you can retain the historic status.
The question was "how can that be ?"
It may not be correct to massage the documents, but thats not to say its impossible.
Regards Mark
[Edited on 4/10/06 by mark chandler]
ned - 5/10/06 at 07:53 AM
Massaging documents does without doubt happen, but you have just described a restoration/historic vehicle, not a newly built kitcar.
A car might/will be able to be re-chassis'd if there are certain conditions met and its the same car/type of car. but this doesn't ring true
with new kits.
There is a certain category of write off that can be legitimately re-chassis'd, I seem to recall Mark Allanson who is iirc an isurance assesor
advising Jasper when he had a bad 'off' in his locost. There are also road registered rally cars that use the same chassis number all season
iirc but sustain damage that is not repairable.
Ned.
[Edited on 5/10/06 by ned]
iank - 5/10/06 at 08:17 AM
quote:
Originally posted by mark chandler
Although I seem to have received a lot of flack I still stand by what I wrote.
You need to arrange for the DVLA to visit to verify the old car is genuine before you start, if they are happy you can proceed and retain status.
They may want to visit during the restoration.
As an example Buy a heritage shell for a pre 1973 MG, swap all the bits across and you can retain the historic status.
The question was "how can that be ?"
It may not be correct to massage the documents, but thats not to say its impossible.
Regards Mark
[Edited on 4/10/06 by mark chandler]
Not trying to give you flack, but as I wrote you can replace the shell with an OEM or equivalent specification shell and keep reg/tax exempt status -
it's treated as a repair. That is why heritage shells are allowed (they are even from the original tooling). What you can't do is replace
a MGB shell with a spaceframe (or a mini shell for that matter).
The rules are all up on the DVLA website.
here ->
http://direct.gov.uk/Motoring/BuyingAndSellingAVehicle/RegisteringAVehicle/RegisteringAVehicleArticles/fs/en?CONTENT_ID=10014246&chk=VsQ/Fs
"Vehicles that have been rebuilt using a mix of new or used parts
In order to retain the original registration mark:
* cars and car-derived vans must use:
The original unmodified chassis or unaltered bodyshell (i.e. body and chassis as one unit - monocoque); or a new chassis or monocoque bodyshell of the
same specification as the original supported by evidence from the dealer or manufacturer (e.g. receipt).
And two other major components from the original vehicle – ie suspension (front & back); steering assembly; axles (both); transmission or
engine.
If a second-hand chassis or monocoque bodyshell is used, the vehicle must pass a an enhanced single vehicle approval (ESVA) or single vehicle approval
(SVA) test after which a "Q" prefix registration number will be allocated."
G.Man - 5/10/06 at 08:30 AM
hmmm where does that leave a Z-Cars mini for example?
chockymonster - 5/10/06 at 09:23 AM
quote:
Originally posted by G.Man
hmmm where does that leave a Z-Cars mini for example?
They only need an MOT to get them back on the road 
iank - 5/10/06 at 09:29 AM
quote:
Originally posted by G.Man
hmmm where does that leave a Z-Cars mini for example?
In a very grey area IMO.
ned - 5/10/06 at 10:18 AM
I recall MK built a spaceframe mini for someone a while back and we had this very discussion. He had effectively only reused the shell and welded part
or all of the old floor pan, had been honest and spoken to vosa/dvla and they said it only needed an mot iirc.
Ned.
see http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=18932
[Edited on 5/10/06 by ned]