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Road fund query for kit cars
edde - 14/1/07 at 09:07 PM

This might be an unusual question but what is the road fund for a locost or simialr type kit car based on?

I've been thinking about it and a small diesel surly doesn't pay the same as a V8 etc.

A few friends of mine have stuck larger engine in there cars there road fund being as the cars don't officialy exists under emmisons rules pay the same rate as the old car did. Surly then a car fitted with a small petrol kit car which at a later date is fitted with a V8 does the same?

I suppose the question also related to bikes since they work on a different road fund rules?

Many thanks for any help.

JoelP - 14/1/07 at 09:28 PM

its quite simple really, there is the new and old system. Old is one price for everything, with a reduced rate for engines under roughly 1.5 litres. New is based on emissions. Depends when the car was registered.

Guinness - 14/1/07 at 09:34 PM

My car was registered in 2006, but using donor parts from a j reg sierra and a kawasaki 1100cc engine.

I get a years road tax for £110! Small engine, old tax rules!

I could in theory take out the 1.1l straight 4 and stick in a 5.7ltr V8 and provided I didn't tell the dvla about the change still pay cheap tax. Doubt it would wash if they ever caught up with me though!

HTH

Mike

RazMan - 14/1/07 at 09:51 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Guinness

I could in theory take out the 1.1l straight 4 and stick in a 5.7ltr V8 and provided I didn't tell the dvla about the change still pay cheap tax. Doubt it would wash if they ever caught up with me though!


I doubt that your V8 would pass the 1100cc emissions test come MOT time though

edde - 15/1/07 at 01:48 AM

quote:
Originally posted by JoelP
its quite simple really, there is the new and old system. Old is one price for everything, with a reduced rate for engines under roughly 1.5 litres. New is based on emissions. Depends when the car was registered.


Do you know waht the prices are and since kit cars are often on Q plates do that not have any problem deciding when the car was made?

Would diesel have a lower rate then on the old system.

How does the new system work then?

Many thnaks again for the help.

Guinness - 15/1/07 at 07:38 AM

quote:

I doubt that your V8 would pass the 1100cc emissions test come MOT time though


I'm not sure about that Razman. At the SVA it had to pass the emissions at 1991 levels. i.e. HC 1200ppm and 3.5% CO.

But when I registered it has no information on the V5 in the emissions bit of the document.

I guess, when it gets it's first MOT in two years time it will be tested as a j reg car, but I don't know?!

Cheers

Mike

smart51 - 15/1/07 at 08:11 AM

quote:
Originally posted by RazMan

I doubt that your V8 would pass the 1100cc emissions test come MOT time though


V8s don't have different emissions standard than 1100s. The percentages are the same in all cases.

RazMan - 15/1/07 at 08:16 AM

Good point guys - I really must engage brain before putting fingers in gear

JoelP - 15/1/07 at 10:21 AM

quote:
Originally posted by edde
Do you know waht the prices are and since kit cars are often on Q plates do that not have any problem deciding when the car was made?

Would diesel have a lower rate then on the old system.

How does the new system work then?

Many thnaks again for the help.


Hi mate! Im not lucky or dumb enough to own a brand new car, so i have no idea about the specific pricing for the new scheme. A search of the DVLA site would undoubtedly produce answers. It is based on the amount of CO2 produced per mile.

The old system doesnt care about diesel or petrol, anything under 1.5 litres gets it cheaper, ie £110 per year instead of £170.

Just found the DVLA link, not read it so excuse me if its all nonsense!

http://www.direct.gov.uk/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicleArticles/fs/en?CONTENT_ID=10012524&chk=X2gG9G

I would suggest that Q plate cars are taxed according to their year of manufacturer, with new cars being compared to their emissions at SVA time. Dont know this one for sure though, but someone will.

BenB - 15/1/07 at 10:34 AM

I thought Q plate cars were still visual smoke only?

JoelP - 15/1/07 at 10:50 AM

quote:
Originally posted by BenB
I thought Q plate cars were still visual smoke only?


I believe they are myself, but there was some dispute recently. Apparently some Q platers found that SVA emissiosn were recorded on the V5 and they were being tested to those levels. Maybe i remember that wrong though, it might've been age related cars.

But i was on about the SVA emissions being related to tax anyway

[Edited on 15/1/07 by JoelP]

wilkingj - 15/1/07 at 05:07 PM

Mine was SVA'd last year, and the Emissions are printed on the V5.

Still Its a rebuilt engine, ie rebore, new pistons cranks job etc etc. So shouldnt be a problem.