pekwah1
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| posted on 11/9/09 at 07:07 PM |
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Why are bikes more expensive?
Well not bikes exactly, but bike engined 7s?
I'm potentially looking at getting an mk indy and have been looking at engine possiblities. I've noticed that ones with bike engines are
notably more expensive as are the chassis too.
Any particular reason why?
Regards,
Andy
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afj
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| posted on 11/9/09 at 07:11 PM |
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performance sequencial(sp) gear change for free but £££ to add to a car engine
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flak monkey
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| posted on 11/9/09 at 07:13 PM |
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From a kit perspective probably just because they can get away with it
Otherwise I cant think of why you would spend the extra 
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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pekwah1
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| posted on 11/9/09 at 07:13 PM |
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Well that didn't make much sense to me.
I can understand them maybe being more expensive as a complete car, but why would they be more expensive when building up a kit?
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eznfrank
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| posted on 11/9/09 at 07:17 PM |
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There's a small amount more work for reverse mounts and also the cradle for the engine but the actual chassis should be more or less the same
price (just extra for the cradle??)
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coozer
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| posted on 11/9/09 at 07:17 PM |
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Bike motors are more expensive due to the bec explosion... years ago I could get motors for my bikes for buttons but now they cost lots.
Just look how cheap sub 600cc engines are compared to litre +
1972 V8 Jago
1980 Z750
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flak monkey
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| posted on 11/9/09 at 07:19 PM |
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Fit a decent car engine and enjoy the refined(ish) cruising rpm, reliability and driveability.
If its a track car stick a bike engine in, if its going to spend 90% of its time on the road a car engine is the only way to go.
I know loads of people who fitted bike engines because its apparently the done thing, to cars they only use on the road and really quite rapidly
regretted it.
David
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mookaloid
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| posted on 11/9/09 at 07:23 PM |
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it costs more to build a BEC - the engine and Gearbox often come free with the car whereas the Bike engine can cost anything from a few hundred to a
grand or so.
"That thing you're thinking - it wont be that."
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rf900rush
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| posted on 11/9/09 at 08:30 PM |
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BEC's Can be done cheaper, but most want the best bike engines, R1's ZX12R's Busa's and ZZR1400's. hence the high
prices.
It dos'nt have to be like that.
For instance, I recently put a good running Suzuki RF900R on ebay and no bids.
Start price was £100 for a 120Bhp 11500 RPM bike engine and no one wanted it.
And that pushed my Dax to 60 not much slower than my new ZX12R engine.
There are still some older bike engines out there, which will give good performance.
Martin
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Dangle_kt
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| posted on 11/9/09 at 09:00 PM |
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I also think that generally speaking the rest of the car is more performance focused if using a bike engine to power it.
Weigh is given more priorty so generally the overall car has a better spec.
That of course does not apply to all cecs. Far from it there are some very track focused ones and some with mighty fine setup.
I guess it's the same reason you don't. See many bec robin hoods, Because if you are going to select a powerful but buzzy engine, your not
going to make it into a tourer fir example, so there are less compromises and more costs building.
Also they are in vogue, and desirable so more expensive.
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Humbug
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| posted on 11/9/09 at 09:37 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by coozer
Bike motors are more expensive due to the bec explosion... years ago I could get motors for my bikes for buttons but now they cost lots.
Just look how cheap sub 600cc engines are compared to litre +
because the engines are always going bang?
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pajsh
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| posted on 11/9/09 at 10:20 PM |
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When you think about it why are bikes so expensive anyway.
A new R1 is, I understand, about £12k. You can get quite alot of car for that. (OK so not the same preformance but you get my point)
I was watching "twist the throttle" last week that said a bike (honda factory) takes 100 minutes to build. Not alot of labour in that
then.
I'm sure it is all about supply and demand.
I used to be apathetic but now I just don't care.
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bi22le
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| posted on 12/9/09 at 12:42 AM |
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I thought the same when I wad buying a BEC. I know that certain companies really aim at weight loss and handling on track chassis which cost money.
Other than that I never got an answer.
I am a BEC man at the mo so would be interesting if people come up with a sensible answer instead of the reliability cop out comment, IMO of course!!!
Track days ARE the best thing since sliced bread, until I get a supercharger that is!
Please read my ring story:
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/forum/13/viewthread.php?tid=139152&page=1
Me doing a sub 56sec lap around Brands Indy. I need a geo set up! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHksfvIGB3I
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oldtimer
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| posted on 12/9/09 at 06:18 AM |
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I don't know either. It does seem that bike engined road cars come up for sale sometimes after very short ownership / miles. For me most of my
miles will be on the road so I'm not interested in a BEC. I don't think construction price is the reason as both forms can run cheap or
expensive motors depending on what you choose. I know exactly where my motorcycle engine is staying - in my motorcycle.
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keithice
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| posted on 12/9/09 at 08:27 AM |
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people forget that a new R1 at twelve grand matches or beats in performance terms anyway, a car costing sixty or seventy thousand pounds. my problem
as an ex-biker was finding a way of getting a car with bikelike 0 to 60 times without spending that kind of money.... also as a side issue, kit cars
put you back into a special minority of people....
Smile and wave boys.... Smile and wave....
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afj
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| posted on 12/9/09 at 08:30 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by pajsh
When you think about it why are bikes so expensive anyway.
A new R1 is, I understand, about £12k. You can get quite alot of car for that. (OK so not the same preformance but you get my point)
I was watching "twist the throttle" last week that said a bike (honda factory) takes 100 minutes to build. Not alot of labour in that
then.
I'm sure it is all about supply and demand.
around 9k for a new 1litre bike i dont think thats bad- titainium exhaust and other engine bits and constant development most bikes are
updated or upgraded every 2 years where cars are up to 10 years between changes
take the ford ka same car from 1996 ish to 2009 13 years and they only changed from a cvh to a little duratec imagine buying a new bike now
that was largly unchanged since 96
anyway back on topic BECs beat CECs so there
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iank
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| posted on 12/9/09 at 08:43 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by pajsh
When you think about it why are bikes so expensive anyway.
A new R1 is, I understand, about £12k. You can get quite alot of car for that. (OK so not the same preformance but you get my point)
I was watching "twist the throttle" last week that said a bike (honda factory) takes 100 minutes to build. Not alot of labour in that
then.
I'm sure it is all about supply and demand.
I'd imagine the 100minutes means assembly of just the bike and they have their suppliers deliver complete ready to bolt on sub-assemblies.
So for example the engine comes from another factory with all the electrics in place and just needs a couple of bolts, control cables and connectors
done up. Forks and swing arms the same. Just connect hydraulics and bolt in place.
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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02GF74
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| posted on 12/9/09 at 10:59 AM |
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I think bike parts are more expsnsive too.
quick look on ebay shows
r1 full gasket set £ 120
zetec £ 50
crossflow £ 27
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