paulbeyer
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| posted on 26/10/04 at 09:50 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Rob Lane
I for one, am now stopping any posts that would help or contribute in any way to a Locost build.
I could be held responsible.
NO,NO,NO Rob don't do that. I still haven't finished the 4AGE install and I'm sure I will need to throw a question or 2 in your
direction before it's complete.
7 out of 10 people suffer with hemorrhoids. Does that mean the other 3 enjoy them?
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Hugh Jarce
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| posted on 27/10/04 at 05:28 AM |
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I just hope the blatently obvious malice Syd has spread about doesn't indeed bring about the demise of the otherwise friendly and trusting
Locost comunity.
I think by and large (Syd excepted) the members of this forum have at least a modicum of intelligence and will deduce from recommendations and
others' posts which are good buys and which are not.
A very good example is the recent petrol tank failure episode. Most people will now be aware of which tanks are more suitable than others.
It isn't sufficient to follow like sheep and build a car identical to one that someone else has completed and is currently driving. It's
the responsibility of each individual to sattisfy themselves of their car's roadworthiness.
The bottom line is, no matter what a supplier tells you (I have the utmost respect for Darren and his operation BTW), each individual must satisfy
themselves that the goods they're purchasing are suitable for their intended use. If that means the items will be physically modified or used in
a "custom" manner, then they again, must glean sufficient information and assurance from this forum or elsewhere that the products are
suitable for the intended purpose. In the good old days, the farrier that made your horse lame and throw its shoes got no further business nor
recommendations.
It should be no different these days, the onus should be predominantly on the buyer.
That's not to say the provider has no responsibilities, of course they do, but it's virtually a crime on its own to expect the supplier to
fork out for your laziness or incompetence in ascertaining if the goods are suitable or not.
The pay isn't very good , but the work's hard.
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MikeP
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| posted on 27/10/04 at 12:46 PM |
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I've no ax to grind, but Hugh's point triggered something that's been nagging me about these two threads. I think it's
country/cultural differences. IIRC from my ancient schooling, here in Ontario we have a different legal structure due to the influence of Canada
starting off half French and half British.
We were taught in that a subject matter expert has a moral and legal responsibility to ensure that their advice is correct, and someone taking that
advice has the right to assume it is. The advisor is liable for any damages incurred if it is not, even if such advice is offered for free.
In Ontario, Darren with his qualifications would certainly fall into that category, as would many of the other manufacturers. I don't remember
talking about it in school, but I suspect that anyone selling parts for locosts would be seen as experts and such parts would be expected to work
safely and properly. I know signing off on a design as a p.eng here is taken quite seriously and requires some serious insurance.
While I agree we need to use common sense while building, I certainly can't tell by looking at a wishbone where the stresses are and if
it's safe for use - I heartily support that moral/legal responsibility thing we have over here, whether I'm giving or taking advice.
It also struck me as ironic, given the subject of this website, that this topic would come up at all - buying parts is surely counter to the original
intent of building a locost. Of course it also struck me as odd when it became accepted that being competitive in the locost racing series required a
professionally built chassis and engine... Not that I'm naive about our hobby, just surprised at how far we've come. One thing is clear
- if you build the whole thing yourself, you know who to blame if there's a failure  .
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Alan B
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| posted on 27/10/04 at 01:23 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ned
hmm. not sure about that pete  Alan is ok, as I gather he actually used to live in england, but he was from up north, so that's borderline in
itself 
Ned.
Oi.....nowt wrong wi' up north....
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DEAN C.
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| posted on 29/10/04 at 09:57 PM |
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I'll second that ALAN
NEVER have I been so annoyed with someone on this site as to want someone thrown off! If Syd doesn't shut his mouth he will cause truble for all
kit owners with rules and regs as in other countries!
His slagging off of Darren is pathetic and the saying it is not personal is sick..
I wish I had the CV that Darren has,and I haver never met him or spoke to him.
If syd was in business as I have been he would know that someone attacking peoples reputations as he is doing is personal!
I SAY WE HAVE A DEMOCRATIC VOTE TO THROW THE TROUBLEMAKER OFF!
YES I THINK THIS IS SO SERIOUS AND A DANGER TO ALL OF US!!!!
DEAN C..
Once I've finished a project why do I start another?
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DEAN C.
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| posted on 29/10/04 at 10:33 PM |
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Perhaps Syd was right,we have GOD to thank after all!
Once I've finished a project why do I start another?
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Cita
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| posted on 30/10/04 at 08:25 AM |
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Going the religious tour is'nt gonna help anybody!
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DEAN C.
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| posted on 30/10/04 at 06:22 PM |
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Cita,You 've took the words right out of my mouth.
Once I've finished a project why do I start another?
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god
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| posted on 30/10/04 at 09:51 PM |
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Ahh humm
Ahh humm
Live & let live, and that includes you Syd
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Cita
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| posted on 30/10/04 at 10:41 PM |
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god??????????????????????????????
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woodster
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| posted on 1/11/04 at 10:14 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Cita
god?????????????????????????????? [
/quote]
GOD? ................. if it took you 6 days and 1 day off to create the earth ........ a locost should be a piece of p*ss
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Peteff
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| posted on 1/11/04 at 11:43 AM |
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Not if
you're trying to put a stupid engine in it.. Anyway he's god, not with a capital 'G'. You shouldn't expect too much from
a minor deity.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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greggors84
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| posted on 2/11/04 at 08:28 PM |
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Syd,
You say you contribute to the forum, then why keep your advice to a one-one basis? Surely that is the point of the forum, or are you worried someone
might sue you for something you advised them?
Maybe you could have a little disclaimer with your advice?
Fair enough trying to point out safety stuff to people, but you should aim it at certain people. You should know that people wont listen to you, and
your whining as many many people have dealt with darren and are very happy with him and his products.
Chris
The Magnificent 7!
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Marcus
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| posted on 2/11/04 at 08:57 PM |
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This may be of interest, if something is marked 'for competition use only' or words to that effect and you have an accident, whether it
was this components fault or not, your insurance may be void!!
My dad's an assessor for insurance companies, and tells me that they look for any way out of a claim, a recent case involved a Saxo with
Michelin racing tyres on, was hit by another car, the insurance refused to pay out to Saxo driver as the tyres were not intended for road use!!
Marcus
Marcus
Because kits are for girls!!
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 2/11/04 at 10:12 PM |
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that sounds fair.
its not like tyres arnt important!
atb
steve
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