olv
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| posted on 27/10/05 at 05:17 PM |
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Helmet visors
On a motorbike you arn't allowed tinted visors for road use, correct?
Does the same apply if you are in an open top car wearing a helmet?
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andy d (rizla)
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| posted on 27/10/05 at 05:31 PM |
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 correct
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JoelP
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| posted on 27/10/05 at 05:33 PM |
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are you sure andy? a thread a few days ago concluded that it didnt matter.
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Benzine
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| posted on 27/10/05 at 05:40 PM |
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Here is the other thread if you want a look:
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=33264
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andy d (rizla)
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| posted on 27/10/05 at 06:11 PM |
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 .thats odd,i got a caution,and told to remove the visor by the old bill
and got a 7 day wonder
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Peteff
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| posted on 27/10/05 at 06:37 PM |
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If you can't see out of it on a bike, why should you be able to in a car? It's a bit of a grey area as the visors are not allowed to be
sold for road use, no mention of what kind of vehicle they are used in or on in the regulations so I would say you would be wrong to use one but it is
open to interpretation if you look at it the way the policeman did in the other thread.
"Surrey Trading Standards have apparently unearthed a clause in the Road Traffic Act which could be interpreted to mean dark and iridium visors
could be outlawed anywhere, any time in the UK even for track day and race use. The law says that a visor must have a British Standard kitemark or,
from July 1, a CE-mark, to be legal to use and excludes the words "on the road". If taken literally only kite marked clear or mild tints
would be legal for on or off road use.
Apparently the rules on visors excludes the words 'on the road', and taken literally means the Road Traffic Act also outlaws the wearing
of dark visors - and their sale - for other purposes, including track use."
[Edited on 27/10/05 by Peteff]
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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jonbeedle
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| posted on 28/10/05 at 04:19 AM |
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It's funny that you're allowed sunglasses though!
"Everyone is entitled to an opinion however stupid!"
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olv
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| posted on 28/10/05 at 07:08 AM |
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thanks for the replies, didn't spot that other thread, i did search.
does seem like a bit of a grey area.
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 28/10/05 at 11:13 AM |
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I was told by a copper that it does not apply, but as ever its probably not written down specifically for cars so it comes down to the interpretation
of the plod
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Gav
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| posted on 28/10/05 at 11:44 AM |
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IIRC in MCN it was concluded that the the first eye shield is the one that has to be standards marked, ie that why you can wear a pair of sunnys under
the visor butthe visor iteself must be of the correct standard.
in the case of a car then it would be fine, however in an open top Se7en the helmets visor would be the eye protector in the first instance so it must
comply with the standards.
ill have a look later on the MCN site for the link
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 28/10/05 at 08:22 PM |
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I don't think that is relevent to cars though. What happens if you decide not to wear a helmet in your aeroscreened car? Technically there is no
law stating you need to wear any form of eye protection in an aeroscreened car (which is obviously where the law differs to bikes). If you wanted you
could wear sunglasses etc but obviously they wouldnt be E-marked.
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olv
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| posted on 28/10/05 at 08:31 PM |
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hehe this is why i was asking. as chris has said, you dont have to wear a helmet in a 7 with no windscreen, or just an aeroscreen, so do any helmet
laws apply. hmmmmm, intruiging 
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OX
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| posted on 28/10/05 at 10:15 PM |
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the way i think it stands is ,if the visor isnt ment be used on the crash helmet then it doesnt matter what you driving/riding .
one of my old dark visors just says ' day use only'
iv been taking my clear visor with me the last few times iv been out becouse im fed up with driving home like an old lady becouse i cant see the road
ahead damn the early dark nights
[Edited on 28/10/05 by OX]
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 28/10/05 at 11:30 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Peteff
"Surrey Trading Standards have apparently unearthed a clause in the Road Traffic Act which could be interpreted to mean dark and iridium visors
could be outlawed anywhere, any time in the UK even for track day and race use. The law says that a visor must have a British Standard kitemark or,
from July 1, a CE-mark, to be legal to use and excludes the words "on the road".
Apart from the fact that it's in the Road Traffic Act, which is legislation pertaining to traffic on the roads...
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Peteff
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| posted on 30/10/05 at 02:59 PM |
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quote:
Apart from the fact that it's in the Road Traffic Act, which is legislation pertaining to traffic on the roads...
I think that's where he intends to drive his car
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 30/10/05 at 09:27 PM |
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I think Mike was saying that as its a road law, it wouldnt apply to track as mentioned in your previous post?
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G.Man
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| posted on 31/10/05 at 09:08 AM |
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You can use pretty much any type of visor on a track day..
race day and road is a different matter...
As I understand the law, if you use a helmet in a car it must comply with the regs, ie be E-Marked or Kite Marked...
BUT
You dont have to use a visor...
Opinions are like backsides..
Everyone has one, nobody wants to hear it and only other peoples stink!
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JoelP
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| posted on 31/10/05 at 10:39 AM |
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i would think that a clear visor and a pair of shades would be better than a tinted visor anyway, its much easier to remove shades than it is to swap
a visor over.
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Peteff
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| posted on 31/10/05 at 10:44 AM |
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it wouldnt apply to track as mentioned in your previous post?
That was from Surrey trading standards, not me. It was about the sale of them being banned if not suitably marked. If you can't buy them you
can't use them. Sorry for any confusion on their part but it's beyond my control.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 31/10/05 at 10:45 AM |
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Pull a lever on the side of my Caberg helmet and a dark-shaded visor comes down in front of my eyes, behind the visor. Very convenient, and also
useful when I'm pottering along and fancy some fresh air - open the visor and leave the shade down for protection (it's a safety marked
visor, just like the clear visor).
David
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