mad_skillz
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| posted on 18/1/06 at 11:43 AM |
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what kind of trackday car do people want?
If you were to have a trackday car, or another one, what route would you be most interested in?
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nick205
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| posted on 18/1/06 at 11:48 AM |
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If I were to "build" another car it would most likely be a Pug 205 with Mi16 engine conversion. I wouldn't spend thousands on
tuning, but strip it out as far as possible to reduce the weight and fit better brakes and a decent set of tyres.
In fact I have contemplated selling my Indy when it's finished to do just this, but "finished" is the key word here 
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smart51
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| posted on 18/1/06 at 12:13 PM |
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A race prepared seven with a bike engine is as light and balanced a car as you'll find. A stripped out hatchback or saloon just isn't
going to be as good.
I also include such things as carterham 21s and fisher furys as "seven type" because despite the disguise of the bodywork, the mecahics
and chassis are quite similar.
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iank
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| posted on 18/1/06 at 12:26 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by smart51
A race prepared seven with a bike engine is as light and balanced a car as you'll find. A stripped out hatchback or saloon just isn't
going to be as good.
I also include such things as carterham 21s and fisher furys as "seven type" because despite the disguise of the bodywork, the mecahics
and chassis are quite similar.
Yes, but buying a Pug205 GTi, sticking in the Mi16 and putting decent brakes/tyres on will cost approx £2000, a BEC will cost much more. So it
depends how much you can afford for 'better'.
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chrisg
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| posted on 18/1/06 at 01:29 PM |
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I shall mostly be having a single seater powered by a bike engine and styled on a sixties F1 car.
In fact I've startied to weld the chassis today.
Cheers
Chris
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awinter
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| posted on 18/1/06 at 01:30 PM |
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buying a good 205 and fitting an Mi engine will cost you more than £2000 for use as a track car. The MI engine is good powerwise but suffers from oil
surge. In a track car you would need to fit a dry sump kit. If you fit carbs to the mi you need to look at mapped ignition or a 1.9 dizzy adaptor to
get the best out of the engine.
you'll also need an LSD if you want to accelerate out of corners quickly.
You can pickup 7 type cars and do an engine conversion for simalar cash.
Sylva strikers spring to mind.
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froggy
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| posted on 18/1/06 at 02:20 PM |
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no sniggering but a reliant kitten is a cheap way to build a cheap track car rear drive under 500kg and takes bike engines with no problems. runs on
10" wheels and are hysterical to drive
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muzchap
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| posted on 18/1/06 at 02:49 PM |
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I'm building a kit...
It's primarily aimed at Trackday with the odd Road Trip to the track ;-)
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iank
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| posted on 18/1/06 at 06:18 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by awinter
buying a good 205 and fitting an Mi engine will cost you more than £2000 for use as a track car. The MI engine is good powerwise but suffers from oil
surge. In a track car you would need to fit a dry sump kit. If you fit carbs to the mi you need to look at mapped ignition or a 1.9 dizzy adaptor to
get the best out of the engine.
you'll also need an LSD if you want to accelerate out of corners quickly.
You can pickup 7 type cars and do an engine conversion for simalar cash.
Sylva strikers spring to mind.
Never heard of people having to dry sump an mi16. If the oil surge was that bad surely 405 owners would be blowing them up all the time?
http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/cars/tuning/266639/
contends it costs £1500 for someone else to fit a conversion, which matches my guestimate of £1000 diy cost pretty well I'd say.
Even if it cost £3k to do the conversion you are still only looking at £4k ish for a complete trackday car. I don't believe you could build a
decent BEC for close to that, are second hand strikers really that cheap? 1.9 GTis are peanuts (£500) these days.
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JoelP
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| posted on 18/1/06 at 06:28 PM |
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you could easily build a budget bec for £3k. It would have to use a blade or zx9 engine for that price though (£300ish)
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Jubal
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| posted on 18/1/06 at 08:36 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by awinter
buying a good 205 and fitting an Mi engine will cost you more than £2000 for use as a track car. The MI engine is good powerwise but suffers from oil
surge. In a track car you would need to fit a dry sump kit. If you fit carbs to the mi you need to look at mapped ignition or a 1.9 dizzy adaptor to
get the best out of the engine.
you'll also need an LSD if you want to accelerate out of corners quickly.
You can pickup 7 type cars and do an engine conversion for simalar cash.
Sylva strikers spring to mind.
Agreed. I used to have a 205 Mi16, see avatar. Sold it to part fund the Indy. I bought someone else's project 205. They had bought a 1.6 GTI,
stripped it, caged it, prepped it and dropped the engine in. I did the brakes and the beam/suspension. In all the thing owed the two of us about 6k
but my costs were less than 3k, including buying it. I sold it on for 2k last year after I'd got bored of front wheel drive on track.
The moral of the story is to buy one ready built but know what you're looking for.
Mine didn't suffer any oil surge probs, even at Oulton where there are some mega left handers. It did suffer from wheel spin without a careful
right foot, cured partially with slicks but it needed an LSD really.
Mine was running the standard injection but with a cam supplied by spoox. It made as much power as any other Mi16 I came up against. I'd
certainly not bother with carbs or other power chasing mods unless I'd got an LSD.
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simes43
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| posted on 18/1/06 at 10:00 PM |
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Radicals and race spec cars should be lined up on a grid waiting for the red lights to go out, as nature intended!
If I stopped racing, an E30 M3 would be top of my list. Road trips to the 'ring and spa etc.
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nick205
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| posted on 19/1/06 at 12:54 PM |
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Nice to see so much discussion on the trusty old Pug
I have to admit that my choice is as much emotional attachment to the cars as for their suitability in terms of cost/performance ratio.
Jubal - I saw the pics of your car when you had it for sale, very nicely done and exactly the sort of thing I have in mind.
As has been said, the cars are cheap as chips and the bits are easy to get hold of and fit yourself. I reckon £3000 would see a pretty well sorted
car, maybe not cosmetically perfect, but great fun to drive
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awinter
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| posted on 19/1/06 at 02:07 PM |
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The dry sump is needed as the car is primarily to be used on track. If it were for road use and ocassional track use on standard injection I would not
fit a dry sump kit. You will find 405 mi's with knackerd bottomends. The cornering forces generated by silcks and stiff supenspension combined
with the extra grunt that carbs produce can generate serious oil surge. Anybody who really hammers an Mi as above round a track will at some point
suffer with oil surge.
The oil sits in the head on long left handers.
Nick, did u used to get on peugeot sport website a couple of years ago?
I have a 309 with an Mi in it. Six speed, lsd, coil overs, twin 45's, maniflow exhaust manifold etc. She gonna get sold very soon though
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NS Dev
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| posted on 19/1/06 at 03:23 PM |
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Forget track days and go racing.
Simple as that!!! The excitement of doing track days is miniscule compared to the adrenalin of proper competition.
GO RACING!!!!
Retro RWD is the way forward...........automotive fabrication, car restoration, sheetmetal work, engine conversion
retro car restoration and tuning
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nick205
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| posted on 19/1/06 at 03:50 PM |
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awinter
Yes, i used to frequent the peugeot sport club forum a few years ago, as did Ned. To be honest I got fed up with the mine's bigger than yours
Max Power attitude, people asking why their cars wouldn't start and how many BHP was to be gained by fitting a numpty exhaust system.
I find the discussion on here of an altogether higher calibre  usually!
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TimC
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| posted on 19/1/06 at 04:23 PM |
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Mid engined BEC kit car weighing less than 450kgs would be the way I'd go.
Although I do like the Elise.
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Jubal
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| posted on 19/1/06 at 10:22 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by nick205
Jubal - I saw the pics of your car when you had it for sale, very nicely done and exactly the sort of thing I have in mind.
I think you may have seen the photos around the time I bought it in early 2004. It was functional but hardly pretty. I sold the car in Nov to someone
who'd seen it at the various trackdays last year.
The new owner is bringing it to Oulton this weekend for its first outing. I'm interested to see what he's done with it. I'll get
some photos for you as I have a feeling he's going to have done a good job.
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richijenkin
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| posted on 23/1/06 at 10:30 AM |
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I hope to get my indy on the track this year. but for £1000 you cant beat a sierra V6 4x4 (car was £300, spent £700 on roll cage, suspension, exhust..
etc). Great laugh, specially when 5 other people have the same car. If I put it in the barrier i've only lost £300. If I put the indy in the
barrier Ive lost £5000 and I lot of (my bro's) hard work!!
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