TimC
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| posted on 9/5/06 at 07:24 AM |
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Raw Striker - why £££££££££
There was a similar post on here in the last few week's about the Dax Rush.....
so I thought I'd pose the same question on the Striker....
I really like the Striker and Raw are no distance at all from home. However, I find it really hard to justify the cost of the kit!
Basic Starter kit (IRS) is about £2500, then add a decent rollcage, powder coating, dash etc and you're looking at more like £3000 - not to bad
perhaps. EXCEPT that you then need to add VAT!
From what I can work out a BEC Striker will now cost you more than a BEC Westfield and you will have to do a LOT more work for the build.
I think it's a nice car, and I'd like one - but is the extra £££ worth it?
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donut
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| posted on 9/5/06 at 07:31 AM |
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Before I bought my MK I looked into the striker and was very tempted to buy one. When compared to the MK I would say that although the quality is
slightly higher on the Striker (NOT the chassis!!) I felt it did not warrant such a high price so I went for the MK.
Still a nice car the striker.
Andy
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/andywest1/
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procomp
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| posted on 9/5/06 at 07:46 AM |
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Hi or look at it another way what have mk or gts or luego ever achived on track . the striker might be more £ but you get what you pay for light
weight and handeling that leaves mk luego or gts some way behind. It will depend what you are aiming to get from your finished project as to whever
you pay the extra £ and think it is worth it.
cheers matt
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donut
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| posted on 9/5/06 at 08:00 AM |
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MK have done plenty on track and have there own race series in Spain.
On the road there will be little difference. Best try them all out and then decide. All except Luego of corse!!
Andy
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/andywest1/
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procomp
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| posted on 9/5/06 at 08:11 AM |
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Hi yes but thier own race series is like against like ie a 2cv handels well when compared to the one next to it on the grid take a look at results of
uk kit racing series rgb kits or any other race series that allows kits in show me where they are then. strikers and there full bodied brothers have
become the backbone of kit racing with more sucses than any other kit manufacturer.
PS a poor handeling car will show up on the road as well as on the track.
cheers matt
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cossey
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| posted on 9/5/06 at 08:29 AM |
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the strikers ive seen have always been a level above the vast majority of locosts. the striker has been proved over many years to be one of the very
best sevens out there at any price. they are considerably lighter than the average locost (from the figures people quote here in many cases 50kg+)
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donut
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| posted on 9/5/06 at 08:32 AM |
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strikers and there full bodied brothers have become the backbone of kit racing with more sucses than any other kit manufacturer.
Yes, i can't argue with that! 
That was one of the main reasons for wanting one. I now prefer the Phoenix which may be my next project.....but not for ages yet.
Andy
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/andywest1/
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Surrey Dave
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| posted on 9/5/06 at 08:37 AM |
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I think they are good well sorted design, they have been very successful in racing for a long time, I'm sorry to say that I have no doubt that
they would blow a standard Locost ,Mk, Luego ,GTS, etc off the planet!!!
The Striker and Fury would be the top of my 'Kitcar' shopping list.
[Edited on 9/5/06 by Surrey Dave]
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bimbleuk
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| posted on 9/5/06 at 08:39 AM |
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Since RAW took over the Striker kit car there has been a steady development of the whole kit.
The chassis was converted to IRS and the design and quality has been improving ever since. I especially like the latest chassis with the whole roll
cage done in T45.
Similar situation with the body work. My Striker has GRP produced from the original Sylva moulds and to be honest its appaling in places!! Again RAW
have improved the moulds and the fit and finish is much better.
So yes the prices put the Striker kits a little higher now but the quality has been improved to match IMO.
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zxrlocost
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| posted on 9/5/06 at 08:42 AM |
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the bonnet bulge on them looks awful and the striker and caterham are deff the top two when it comes to BRUM crossed with a frog cartoon front end
it can perform all it wants but I like a car to look good and perform not just one or the other
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 9/5/06 at 08:44 AM |
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This is turning into a "Mine is bigger/better/faster than yours!" debate... 
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cossey
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| posted on 9/5/06 at 08:51 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by donut
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strikers and there full bodied brothers have become the backbone of kit racing with more sucses than any other kit manufacturer.
Yes, i can't argue with that!
That was one of the main reasons for wanting one. I now prefer the Phoenix which may be my next project.....but not for ages yet.
no offence intended but you may struggle to get comfy in the phoenix as they are very narrow across the cockpit, i means they have a great coke bottle
profile but its a pain as the nirrowest area is exactly where you want the extra space.
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TimC
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| posted on 9/5/06 at 09:05 AM |
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Some helpful responses - got me thinking again, but it's a whole load of money over the GTS (with some nice custom tweeks) that is my
alternative..... Argh...
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bimbleuk
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| posted on 9/5/06 at 09:09 AM |
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Just did a quick tot of what I spent on parts alone and it'll make quite few people on here wince! Not many untouched 2nd hand parts on my
Striker anymore.
I own one and I'm 6'2" with long legs (which is worse than a long body) and yes I'm fairly well wedged in the drivers side. On
track though that becomes a good thing.
I do think the bonnet and screen area could look a little prettier but Jeremy Philips designed for the track not the road. I suppose it also gives the
Striker an individual look
In a perfect world I would combine parts from several kits to make my "perfect car" but circumstance meant I had money to spend when I was
offered an unfinished project (all they had done was rivet the ali panels on).
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stevebubs
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| posted on 9/5/06 at 09:14 AM |
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The one thing I have noticed with cars from the Sylva fold...
When JP / Sylva sells them direct, they're cheap as chips.
Once the rights are bought by a 3rd party, prices go through the roof.
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TimC
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| posted on 9/5/06 at 09:19 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by stevebubs
The one thing I have noticed with cars from the Sylva fold...
When JP / Sylva sells them direct, they're cheap as chips.
Once the rights are bought by a 3rd party, prices go through the roof.
I think that used to be the case, but I know that the R1ot isn't exactly at the cheap end if the market!
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donut
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| posted on 9/5/06 at 09:34 AM |
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no offence intended but you may struggle to get comfy in the phoenix as they are very narrow across the cockpit, i means they have a great coke bottle
profile but its a pain as the nirrowest area is exactly where you want the extra space.
No offence taken Bit of a bugger though 
Andy
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/andywest1/
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cossey
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| posted on 9/5/06 at 09:54 AM |
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on the fury with becs they narrow the tunnel on the drivers side to give a bit more space, they might be able to do the same on the phoenix.
costs for the sylva/ex sylva cars cars are high but they arent that bad
striker £8-12k
fury/phoenix £10-15k
riot £8-12k
you obviously can go higher than that for a factory built high spec car, like the black fury that was "built" in ppc that was a fair bit
more than £15k but it is a awesome trackday toy (i got taken out in it at bruntingthorpe last weekend) but the spec of that isnt what the majority
would go for.
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bimbleuk
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| posted on 9/5/06 at 12:35 PM |
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The part cost for my Striker has gone just over £10K. There several major parts on it which could still be standard recon. parts. The parts I've
upgraded over the last year since the original build are;
4AGE 20V "blacktop" engine
BGH 2.8 sporting gearbox
4.44:1 differential
Shortened baffled sump
Oil cooler
Accucump
OMEX 710 ECU
Fidanza flywheel
So if I had stuck to the original spec then that lot would knock £4k off the build cost. So £6k parts cost would seem more reasonable but probably
still 3 to 4 times yur typical locost builder 
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TimC
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| posted on 9/5/06 at 02:37 PM |
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My old MK cost about the same in parts - and 450ish hours including time to produce all the custom fabrications!
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stevebubs
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| posted on 9/5/06 at 04:28 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by TimC
quote:
Originally posted by stevebubs
The one thing I have noticed with cars from the Sylva fold...
When JP / Sylva sells them direct, they're cheap as chips.
Once the rights are bought by a 3rd party, prices go through the roof.
I think that used to be the case, but I know that the R1ot isn't exactly at the cheap end if the market!
And Sylva is no longer really run by JP - Steve Knee seems to be the driving force behind sales & marketing now.
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cossey
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| posted on 9/5/06 at 05:33 PM |
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jp still runs sylva its just sylva no longer sell kits the sales are sorted aobut by Stingray motorsports run by Steve. its supposedly do jp can get
on with making and improving the kits.
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Moorron
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| posted on 10/5/06 at 11:50 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by TimC
My old MK cost about the same in parts - and 450ish hours including time to produce all the custom fabrications!
and other 300 hours ontop of that for me to custom mod your custom mods.
now where did i put my hacksaw and hammer.
i think one thing that may be needed in this thread is build quality of the owner (not the kit parts), i would rather have a nicely built mk than a
fudged together striker. i weighted my car the other night with no fuel in it and it came out at 566 (very even in each corner tho), this was much
heavier than i wanted so god knows what i 400kg car goes like!. but mine wasnt built to miniumum spec (hey tim?). its got standard uprights on it and
17" wheels so i have room to cut things off.
when i was looking for a ready build kit a wasnt to bothered about what make it was, i was more interested in price verses overall build quality. it
happened to be an MK that took my cash (i think the dax rush is the best looking).
Sorry about my spelling, im an engineer and only work in numbers.
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NS Dev
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| posted on 10/5/06 at 02:06 PM |
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Sorry but I am now going to be Mr Blunt!
If £500 difference in base kit price is swinging a descision on what to purchase then your budget is probably not enough!!!!!!
The base kit price will become a total irrelevance once the build is underway.
I think my base "kit" from Stuart Taylor was around £2000, but there are very few manufacturers that can be compared apples for apples in
this market.
I think I can comment objectively here as I am building neither, and can say that of all the stuff that I have seen (other than cateringvan) MNR prob
look the best in terms of QUALITY per £.
Having said that, I see Procomp posted but modestly made no mention of their product!!! rarely if ever mentioned on here but have won a hell of a lot
more motorsport events than most of the manufacturers on here, and from those that I have seen, VERY nicely engineered and well
built....................
Likewise Stuart Taylor have won a huge number of races, and sold a vast number of cars, and have many builders (like me) on here but no dedicated
section like other smaller suppliers!
The point that I am trying to make is there is a lot more than base kit price to look at when buying.
If you want a genuinely cheap (but not nasty) kit, you will go a long way to beat MK, simply because there are a lot around, they are well made and do
what they say on the tin.
Retro RWD is the way forward...........automotive fabrication, car restoration, sheetmetal work, engine conversion
retro car restoration and tuning
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