smart51
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| posted on 5/11/07 at 04:05 PM |
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No more SVA
I've just heard from a custom car enthusiast that the latest EU treaty will put an end to SVA. The harmonisation means that all cars will have
to be fully type approved as of 2009 meaning that a "single" vehicle approval will not be possible.
Has anyone else heard of this?
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Benzine
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| posted on 5/11/07 at 04:07 PM |
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Gergely
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| posted on 5/11/07 at 04:07 PM |
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Nooooo... I have not even bought my car yet! And as it is not possible to register the car in Hungary, so my only chance was the UK... I plan to buy
the car spring 2008 and have it registered in 2009.
More info please!
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Humbug
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| posted on 5/11/07 at 04:08 PM |
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I've heard... here 
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=76174
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iank
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| posted on 5/11/07 at 04:13 PM |
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Those threads were VOSA plans made well before Gordon signed up to the EU Constitution (though the title got changed).
No idea if it's true or scaremongering though.
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speedyxjs
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| posted on 5/11/07 at 04:17 PM |
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How long will it be before we find out if it will actually go ahead?
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
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nick205
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| posted on 5/11/07 at 04:17 PM |
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no idea if it's true or not, but if it is then the kit car industry should already be presenting an organised and united campaign to lobby the
relevant government and EU representatives. However IMHO I'm not sure the industry has the coherence and structure in place to do this
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iank
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| posted on 5/11/07 at 04:19 PM |
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On second thought's I suspect it's part of the same rumour and therefore scaremongering.
The main reason for that is NOTHING in the EU moves that fast. 2009 is just too soon for them to do the paperwork.
Hope I'm right.
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Guinness
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| posted on 5/11/07 at 04:19 PM |
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So if I take the plates off my Indy, remove the chassis numbers, SVA it again, register it again, who wants to buy the resulting no plate!?!
Only joking by the way.
If they actually do propose to ban all non-type approved cars, I think a blat down Whitehall would be in order. To show them the numbers of cars that
actually go through the scheme.
Mike
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locoboy
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| posted on 5/11/07 at 04:34 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Guinness
If they actually do propose to ban all non-type approved cars, I think a blat down Whitehall would be in order. To show them the numbers of cars that
actually go through the scheme.
Mike
So long as some of the dross that presents itself at kit car shows across the UK does not turn up otherwise it will be all the more reason to go for
type approval
ATB
Locoboy
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zxrlocost
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| posted on 5/11/07 at 04:38 PM |
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Id just like to confirm there is going to be no major changes to any SVA stuff for a good few years
and Id also like to confirm that however big you think the kit car scene is in the UK
the government wouldnt think twice about getting rid of our cars off the road if they had to for whatver reason or making tests impossible
a typical VOSA day involves anything to do with kit cars put to the bottom of the list plus two weeks from the main ones at VOSA
anything HGV gets looked after
chris
PS Ive done 7 SVA's in the last two months so should know a thing or two
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spaximus
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| posted on 5/11/07 at 05:21 PM |
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There was an article on the politics show on Sunday which featured this very subject. Basically the SVA will eventually be replaced with another
similar scheme, however the allowance that constructors like Westfield ( who were featured ) currently have is allegedly being taken away. The gist of
the feature was that all new cars would need to pass the latest emmissions and there are plans to limit the speed of all such manufacturers to
100mph.
Now this is all in the formative stages but the EU hates cars and worse anything that cannot be controlled. The two MEP s who were interviewed were
chalk and cheese, the Torie one was tell enm to get stuffed as jobs are needed in the West Midlands where he was based, the Labour one was basically
tough poo the enviroment is more important than jobs or individual choice.
Changes will take place rest assured manufacturers like Westfield, Noble, GTM, Morgan and many others are talking about it and trying to head off the
attack that will come one day.
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speedyxjs
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| posted on 5/11/07 at 06:43 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by spaximus
There was an article on the politics show on Sunday which featured this very subject. Basically the SVA will eventually be replaced with another
similar scheme, however the allowance that constructors like Westfield ( who were featured ) currently have is allegedly being taken away. The gist of
the feature was that all new cars would need to pass the latest emmissions and there are plans to limit the speed of all such manufacturers to
100mph.
Now this is all in the formative stages but the EU hates cars and worse anything that cannot be controlled. The two MEP s who were interviewed were
chalk and cheese, the Torie one was tell enm to get stuffed as jobs are needed in the West Midlands where he was based, the Labour one was basically
tough poo the enviroment is more important than jobs or individual choice.
Changes will take place rest assured manufacturers like Westfield, Noble, GTM, Morgan and many others are talking about it and trying to head off the
attack that will come one day.
100MPH!!!  We may aswell walk
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
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Avoneer
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| posted on 5/11/07 at 06:50 PM |
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Yep - but there's nothing to say how quick you can get there ;-)
Pat...
No trees were killed in the sending of this message.
However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
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iank
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| posted on 5/11/07 at 07:18 PM |
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Most 7's don't get much about 120mph anyway it's just too uncomfortable.
I had the acceleration debate with a trafpol years ago, he didn't like the way I hadn't broken the law but was still 'going too
fast'. Apparently the difference between velocity and acceleration isn't required on the entrance exam 
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t.j.
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| posted on 5/11/07 at 08:28 PM |
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I see it more sunny
because it will be still availble. Only across Europe it will be more the same.
I hope they look to the SVA as it has proven that it works. There could be some changes. The lightning-sheme for example could be easy changed to Eu
incl third brake light.
read article 24:
Eu regulation 2007/46/EG
Please feel free to correct my bad English, i'm still learning. Your Dutch is awfull! :-)
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RK
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| posted on 6/11/07 at 03:09 AM |
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OK, I understand that if you want to trade goods with other countries in the EU you have to do it with a common system, like metric for example. But
why do they have to impose the standards of another country, far away, on an island that is quite happy to do its own thing with weights, distance and
CARS, and does not try to impose this on anybody else? I'm all for free trade (we've been bullied into stopping perceived
"subsidies" by the Americans on this), but within the country, why do the others care so much about what goes on??? It's not a human
rights issue for god's sake!! Someone has to go to Brussels and do something. They have fantastic chips there if that helps.
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Gergely
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| posted on 6/11/07 at 11:45 AM |
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OK, now I have read all the other posts and have questions:
If MNR / MK or another company type approves one of their cars, will it be an approval for identical cars or engine choices, brakes, hubs, diff will
be a choice of the buyer? Or if they want to type approve a Hayabusa and an R1 car, they need to do it separately in two type approvals?
Also, if I understand correctly a type approved vehicle will only be possible to sell if built by the producer, right?
Let's hope that some sort of SVA remains then.
As for making the same laws apply in EU I only agree if the best - here: the easiest SVA exam / process - gets applied in all countries. Currently my
only chance - as far as I know - of owning an MNR and driving it in Hungary on a Hungarian licence plate is to put it through the UK SVA. So I am
worried... and wouldn't want our system implemented anywhere else...
Are there any countries where people have put their kitcars on the road legally without going through the UK SVA?
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woodster
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| posted on 8/11/07 at 10:20 AM |
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i don't know much about sva's but i do know that toffee suckin BROWN IS A KNOB............ AS WAS TONY BLIAR 
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bengtec
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| posted on 2/2/08 at 05:37 PM |
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just incase anyone hasnt found this out yet i thought id let you know...
i've been in contact with someone from VOSA as part of my research and he told me the following (copied from emails)...
"SVA is due to be replaced in 2009 by the Individual Vehicle Approval (IVA) scheme and it is expected that the requirements will change at this
time."
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"Unfortunately, we are not currently aware of the differences between the two schemes as the full detail of IVA has yet to be published. My own
feeling is that it will be similar to SVA, but will probably cover more items than the current SVA scheme."
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iank
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| posted on 3/2/08 at 01:15 PM |
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I think there is a small risk that IVA will require changes that are difficult, or expensive, for cars like ours. It would be quite easy to
accidentally make things more complex for a 7.
Shouldn't they be producing some consultation documents for any changes they are proposing?
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bengtec
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| posted on 3/2/08 at 08:25 PM |
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the impression i got from the guy who emailed me was that they arent very far allong with the decisions as to what is going to change. from what he
said it didnt appear that the test was being devised so that it was impossible to make kit cars. i dont doubt that it will probably be harder to pass,
but im sure they have their resons based on some research or something.
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Syd Bridge
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| posted on 3/2/08 at 09:46 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by nick205
no idea if it's true or not, but if it is then the kit car industry should already be presenting an organised and united campaign to lobby the
relevant government and EU representatives. However IMHO I'm not sure the industry has the coherence and structure in place to do this
STATUS is the organisation set up to give low volume and kit manufacturers a voice in government. Been in existence since the early 90's.
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