scootz
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| posted on 16/9/09 at 07:40 PM |
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Type 9 Box - Can it Be Uprated? (Now the 'East Lothian Love-In Thread'!)
Would like to put 400 (ish) bhp and 300 (ish) ft/lbs from front-engine to rear wheels.
It's a Audi engine, so there are no 'off-the-shelf' boxes.
I've asked previously about 'solutions' to this, but there's nothing obvious!
I know that THESE GUYS do a conversion for Audi engine to Type 9, so perhaps I should turn
my question on it's head... can a Type 9 Box be up-rated to take a lot of power? If so, any suggestions who could do the work?
Ta!
[Edited on 16/9/09 by scootz]
[Edited on 16/9/09 by scootz]
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flak monkey
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| posted on 16/9/09 at 07:41 PM |
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As I said in the other thread lol
BGH are the people to speak to.
quote:
Originally posted by scootz
Maybe the question should be... can a Type 9 be 'up-rated' to take serious abuse!
Onto a new thread... 
Yes, it can indeed.  Can easily be uprated to around 300bhp. The quaife will take even more.
Depends on the weight of the car though at the end of the day. I will be running a HD rated to 240bhp with a 330bhp duratec bolted to it. Hopefully it
will take the abuse!
Cheers,
David
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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austin man
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| posted on 16/9/09 at 07:43 PM |
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what about a cossie box ??
Life is like a bowl of fruit, funny how all the weird looking ones are left alone
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scootz
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| posted on 16/9/09 at 07:45 PM |
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Thanks Mr Monkey... glad you caught up with me!
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scootz
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| posted on 16/9/09 at 07:45 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by austin man
what about a cossie box ??
Was this not the T5 box?
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madteg
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| posted on 16/9/09 at 07:48 PM |
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I have been putting 300 plus through mine for over a year now, this is with two trackdays and 14 runs at santapod, broke a driveshaft and propshaft
but my 1600 type 9 is still going strong.
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flak monkey
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| posted on 16/9/09 at 07:50 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by scootz
quote:
Originally posted by austin man
what about a cossie box ??
Was this not the T5 box?
Yep, could be an option
http://www.burtonpower.com/technical_1/borg_warner_t5_gearbox.aspx
[Edited on 16/9/09 by flak monkey]
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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scootz
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| posted on 16/9/09 at 07:53 PM |
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Then I'm back to the bellhousng problem... no-one does a bellhouse for Audi engine to T5 - just the Type 9.
Any idea's how much it would cost to have a 'bespoke' bellhouse machined... surely not as much as a Quaife Type 9, etc!
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mcerd1
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| posted on 16/9/09 at 07:57 PM |
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there is this one: linky
and ask them to make ones thats not drilled / finished - then take it to Mr Winter 
or what about an adapter plate ?
btw the rwd cossies used the "non-world class" version of the T5,
but you can find a "world class" version in Mustangs and TVR's with rover V8's
another linky
[Edited on 16/9/09 by mcerd1]
[Edited on 16/9/09 by mcerd1]
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scootz
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| posted on 16/9/09 at 07:58 PM |
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From box to bellhouse, or bellhouse to engine?
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flak monkey
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| posted on 16/9/09 at 07:59 PM |
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You may be suprised.
Would need to be cast, which means a pattern needs to be made, then a sand mould then the part cast.
Plus all the design work and development to get a good casting out of it in the first place.
Wouldnt be cheap. There are 'rapid' prototype casting methods available, but they are also rather expensive.
I would estimate around £1000-1500 to have a custom one cast if you did the design (first off). Be prepared for a few of the first casts to fail due
to blow holes or porosity too probably then looking at £150 each plus mod costs for supsequent ones. Then it will need machining front and back,
boring to fit the box and release bearing and drilling to suit. Probably another £150-200 on top for the first off. Maybe £50 for each subsequent
assuming CNC.
Starts to get expensive unless there is a market for them.
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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scootz
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| posted on 16/9/09 at 08:02 PM |
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www.feckinconfused.com
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mcerd1
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| posted on 16/9/09 at 08:05 PM |
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^^^ edited above with links
quote:
Originally posted by scootz
From box to bellhouse, or bellhouse to engine?
adaptor plate between the engine and any sutable bellhousing that fits the box
[Edited on 16/9/09 by mcerd1]
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scootz
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| posted on 16/9/09 at 08:08 PM |
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Couldn't do that to Sid!
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scootz
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| posted on 16/9/09 at 08:09 PM |
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Or could I??? 
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mcerd1
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| posted on 16/9/09 at 08:10 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by scootz
Couldn't do that to Sid!
I'm sure he'd manage (if you worked out the sizes first)
I there are a few tricks you can use to make it easier (card templates etc....)
but this idea might be better:
quote:
there is this one: linky
and ask them to make ones thats not drilled / finished - then take it to Mr Winter
[Edited on 16/9/09 by mcerd1]
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scootz
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| posted on 16/9/09 at 08:17 PM |
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Yep - that would make sense... see if they'll supply one unfinished on the gearbox side!
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mcerd1
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| posted on 16/9/09 at 08:20 PM |
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if you could get the bellhousing undrilled (at the gearbox end at least) it could make to job easier
do you know anyone you could borrow a T5 from ?
as I've got this type 9 in the house just now if you wanted to compair them
(its actually a BGH E8 good for 300+bhp  - and no you can't have it  )
[Edited on 16/9/09 by mcerd1]
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scootz
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| posted on 16/9/09 at 08:23 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mcerd1
Do you know anyone you could borrow a T5 from?
I did 4 months ago... ME!? It was sold after my ten millionth change of plans!
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widz
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| posted on 16/9/09 at 08:26 PM |
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type 9
a hope this is no you going to distroy another car scoots with your daft skeems
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scootz
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| posted on 16/9/09 at 08:29 PM |
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At last... tempted the wee munchkin out of his engineering hole!
Say hello to Mr Widz everyone... I'll translate for him (at 10p per post!).
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mcerd1
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| posted on 16/9/09 at 08:30 PM |
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btw - whats happening in this town today ?
all quiet for weeks - then I've been round to see Sid, come home and seen that orange thing driving around, then got a call from Ian and now
your back on the hunt for a rwd gearbox.....
must be something in the air today
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scootz
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| posted on 16/9/09 at 08:35 PM |
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Sunshine!?
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scootz
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| posted on 16/9/09 at 08:36 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by widz
a hope this is no you going to distroy another car scoots with your daft skeems
PS - I see John says his MNR is faster than your Dax... is this so!
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mcerd1
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| posted on 16/9/09 at 08:43 PM |
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widz spotted !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLhiZv3ZTzI
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