Messenjah
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| posted on 6/1/06 at 12:35 AM |
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what to do ?
ok well my first car is sorted for a year im going on my mums landy insurance paying the difference to my parents and not paying maintenance petrol
tax etc so im saving alot of money but not building a years no claims but its ok
so basically as soon as i get a job since im fairly used to not going out too often because i was saving for a car ill have a fair bit of disposeable
income well all my wages ....
the question is do i save for a starter or duluxe kit from one of the kit manufacturers or do i build one myself having never mig welded before all
ive done is some braising at school ...
my dad is a process metalurgist and knows all the theory of welding and what it should sound / look like but hasnt had much practice in the last 5
years
also the garage situation i have a double garage at home but its full of pooltable and tablefootball table and dart board and sofa and stereo so i
cant work there ... i have acess to my aunties single councill garage and a landrover to move equipment between when i need to use it so that
could be useable its a fairly wide one wider then average (its on the end and they built it too long bu didnt realise till it came to the last one
and had to order an extra wide door and its long enough for a vauxhall carlton and a small offroad buggy so i should have space.
but the question is should i attempt a complete self build would most liekly be + 442 if i do because im pretty big
i know that £250 wont do it  more like £2500 with ALOT of good bargains and more like £4000 for a good example with some nice extras
but im not sure what to do
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Chippy
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| posted on 6/1/06 at 01:20 AM |
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quote:
so basically as soon as i get a job since im fairly used to not going out too often because i was saving for a car ill have a fair bit of disposeable
income well all my wages ....
What dont you feel that you should contribute something towards your upkeep. 
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Simon
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| posted on 6/1/06 at 01:31 AM |
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Sell this lot
pooltable
tablefootball table
dart board
sofa
stereo
landrover
vauxhall carlton
small offroad buggy
Plus your savings should give you a financial kickstart to buy a kit, and you'll clear the garage at home at the same time
ATB
Simon
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omega0684
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| posted on 6/1/06 at 02:16 AM |
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y not look a buying a part build? £2500 is very low me thinks, try 5-6 for a decent looking good performance motor
Alex
if you have never welded before, just buy a chassis and save your time for reconditioning old parts.
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Ian Pearson
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| posted on 6/1/06 at 02:48 AM |
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Some of those comments are a little harsh chaps!
As Alex has said, if you can get hold of a part built project, you can adapt it to suit. If not, why not try building your own? You'll save some
money, and learn some valuable skills.
Good luck whatever route you choose.
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Danozeman
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| posted on 6/1/06 at 06:28 AM |
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also the garage situation i have a double garage at home but its full of pooltable and tablefootball table and dart board and sofa and stereo so i
cant work there ...
Get rid of these and youl have loads of space and more money.
Have a bash yourself. Mig Welders are handy to have and easy to learn. If u get more metal than u need to give u some to practice with. Make
something useful like a chassis stand and a practice piece.
As for your 2500 mines looking like 5 grand when its done. Maybe a bit more and thats with loads of bits cheap from ebay etc.
Dan
Built the purple peril!! Let the modifications begin!!
http://www.eastangliankitcars.co.uk
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Mix
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| posted on 6/1/06 at 07:41 AM |
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Build one from scratch
You will then have your whole life to use the skills you will learn in the process.
Oh and yes get rid of all that tat that seems to be cluttering up the build space
Mick
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ch1ll1
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| posted on 6/1/06 at 08:21 AM |
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ask mummy to buy you one !
have a go at building one your self !
IF THAT FAILS THEN THERES PLENTY OF STARTED KIT TO BUY
but you will get more joy when it finished
at least you can say i built all of that !
even when its bent laying in a ditch !
[Edited on 6/1/06 by ch1ll1]
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indykid
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| posted on 6/1/06 at 08:26 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Messenjah
ok well my first car is sorted for a year im going on my mums landy insurance paying the difference to my parents and not paying maintenance petrol
tax etc so im saving alot of money but not building a years no claims but its ok
how often does the landy see mud let alone go off road? can't you convince your very amenable parents to sell that and buy a corsa, or maybe an
sj410 if the off road capability is still required? they could then put the sale money towards a project either scratch or kit for you.
on a more productive note, if your auntie's garage is a council one, i've yet to see one with a decent power supply or even lighting. that
immediately puts scratch built out as i've never ever seen a battery powered welder, except a stick welder made from 2 car ones joined together!
that'd be scary though.
i'd look at part built, or even built in your circumstances, unless you can clear the garage at home.
hth
tom
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Messenjah
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| posted on 6/1/06 at 08:58 AM |
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firstly the landy sees alot of mud and offroad and alot of work as a workhorse because we are rebuilding an old cottage in ireland ourselves and use
it to drive over there and cart building materials too and from the house which happens to e 1mile from the closest road and on top of a pete bog
so ner also we do alot of pay and play days at devils pit and quite alot of greenlaning
so if you can fit 8 bags of cement 10 bags of sand a wheelbarrow and 6 ppl into an sj40 and then tow a trailer with 75 concrete blocks "9
cavity blocks then ill aplaud you
as for the spoilt brat comment thats very harsh imho
let me explain the stuff in the garage
the pool table was bought by me and my older brother from money we saved for a year from our paper rounds as a present for my dad the dart board was
free because the rugby club ordered one and got two and my dad was the mini and youth chairman and the club chairman already had one
the table football table was a present for me and both my brothers last christmas and the sofa i bought for when i have mates round again from money
that i earned doing my paper round
and the beer fridge was a present form me and my mum to my dad she bought the fridge i stocked it with beer
so be nice
as for getting a corsa well i think i covered what we need the landy for but i suppose dad might consider swapping his jag for one .... NOT
so now that ive justified myself hopefully ill get some more helpfull suggestions
and thanks to the guys who have made sensible suggestions
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Messenjah
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| posted on 6/1/06 at 09:17 AM |
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"What dont you feel that you should contribute something towards your upkeep. "
well i did but my mum said i shouldnt have to because my brother never did and theyre paying his way thru uni atm and since both my parents work i am
quite often the one at home doing the ironing and washing a looking after my younger brother and doing most of the tidying and washing up so ner
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 6/1/06 at 10:05 AM |
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Get yourself on to a welding course , at least you will learn how to do a decent weld. Start saving so you can buy a decent welder (the best you can
afford ) Power in the council garage will be a problem so could you weld up chassis at home on the drive? possibly put onto trailer for shifting to
garage for storage? Once the chassis is finished perhaps a small generator for power at garage for lights etc. Remember if you do build from scratch
the extra cost of equipment but you will probably need a welder for brackets etc anyhow .
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Peteff
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| posted on 6/1/06 at 10:59 AM |
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What's this?
on top of a pete bog so ner. I hope you mean a peat bog . This is usually a protected environment not somewhere to drive over with building
materials. Move the table for a while then transfer stuff to your aunt's lockup. You'll be able to build a chassis sideways on in your two
car garage and it will store on it's side when it's tacked together.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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emsfactory
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| posted on 6/1/06 at 12:30 PM |
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why dont you stick all the junk in your garage in your aunts?
Then you are close to your build and have power and space.
Have a bash at making it yourself, thats what I did.
Its not that hard and you feel good having done it.
Practice first though as 'the first one is the worst one' etc.
Folks seem to be giving you a hard time for some reason, I dont see the point in that. Just envy I guess.
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zxrlocost
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| posted on 6/1/06 at 12:58 PM |
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those magical words ill earn money but I wont spend it much
trust me as soon as you earn money it goes like that
as soon as i started earning real good money I still spend it but I look back at the end of the month and think WTF have I spent all that on.. Ive
said ill try harder each month but it never changes 
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 6/1/06 at 01:03 PM |
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I'd endorse the 'make it all yourself' policy! If nothing else, you'll have some useful tools and a heap of new skills (you
can repair your Landy when you bend it! )
Save up and buy your parents a big shed - then fill it with your garage junk!
David
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Gav
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| posted on 6/1/06 at 01:24 PM |
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Indeed i vote fro scratch build, learn the skills then as was was said before, youve got them for the rest of your life.
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Messenjah
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| posted on 6/1/06 at 04:07 PM |
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if i spent the money on a welding course so i knew what i was doing and then had nothing to do say in a holiday so i could really get down to it and
all the box section was cut to length ready to be welded how long would it take to weld the entire chassis ?? roughly
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ch1ll1
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| posted on 6/1/06 at 05:32 PM |
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not taking the wee here.
what do you know about cars repair wise?
do you know how they run and work,
what tools do you have?
do you know the basics about a car?
this all counts, cause if you know a little about cars then it will help and may poss make it a little quicker for you
if you dont then it will take you alot longer to build it. in fact alot longer !
how much time do you have to spend on it.
as it wont build it self, ask everybody on here they will tell you
its not a 2 min job!, how long do you think it will take you to build it?
well double it and you might be near!
and at the end of the day ITS YOUR LIFE AT RISK EVERY CORNER YOU CUT !!
but like CaLviNx says buy the book it will help you out alot!
[Edited on 6/1/06 by ch1ll1]
[Edited on 6/1/06 by ch1ll1]
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Messenjah
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| posted on 6/1/06 at 07:01 PM |
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ive had a part time job at a landy garage since i was 14 repaired th elandy with my dad dont clutch changes gearboxc changes exaust fitting engine
swaps and making lots of cups of tea started off making tea worked my way up
i tend to spot when somethings not right on te car quicker then my um or dad feeling the difference of even a couple of psi in a flat tyre noticing a
slight smell and telling to to stop in the next layby and find it pissing water and took the waterpup off the landy while waiting for the aa man and
then fitted a new one at the garage he recovered uss too and we still made the ferry
ive bene interested in cars since i was ickle and changed my first set of spark plugs at 5
i know the basics and a bit more but would like to learn more then i know i also want to do automotive design and engineering at uni hopefully bath
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steve_gus
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| posted on 6/1/06 at 08:51 PM |
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If you dont have a decent garage, and welding experience you would be TOTALLY NUTS to attempt a scratch build.
How would you fancy going outside in the next few months, cutting up steel, welding it, in 2 degrees and rain, while the car is gently rusting. Or,
having to drive / walk miles to a garage. You will quickly lose motivation and give up.
You have minimal resources available, so you need to take the least hassle route.
save up your cash, and get an MK indy kit or summat similar.
As your insurance will be ballistic, and you havnt passed your test, there isnt a big rush to start the build tomorrow is there? So spend the next
year amassing the cash that allows you to buy something that will scre together fairly easy at about the time you will actually be able to drive and
insure it - like at least in a year or twos time.
I cant see you doing this tho as I wouldnt have at your age
If you havnt done so yet, get your dad to take yo to the stoneleigh show, and take a look at some of the kits on offer. Look at something like the MK
chasis, and ask yourself seriously ' could i do something as nice as that with the resources I have'. Save your money, and get something
good when you can buy in something.
In your situation, its going to be far too tempting to go out with your mates than hack bits of metal in the garden or your aunties garage when its
-5c outside.....
do you REALLY HAVE TO BUILD a car yourself..... if you want a seven replica, you can probably get a decent one for 3 grand or so...... save up and it
could be yours this time next year..... without the hassle of building one.
atb
steve
http://www.locostbuilder.co.uk
Just knock off the 's'!
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steve_gus
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| posted on 6/1/06 at 08:56 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Messenjah
ive bene interested in cars since i was ickle and changed my first set of spark plugs at 5
/quote]
I read an article by the daughter of Roahld Dahl once.
In it, she describes how one day, when she was about 14, she really needed to get somewhere. So, she took the family morris minor.
It broke down. So, she called her dad.
He was really pi$$ed.
not cos she had taken the car and driven under age - but that she hadnt known how to fix it
In the book 'danny, champion of the world' by him, the character Danny, describes how his dad wouldnt let him attend school until he knew
how to rebuild an engine. If you didnt know how to do that, you were not prepared for learning
strange man
atb
steve
http://www.locostbuilder.co.uk
Just knock off the 's'!
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ch1ll1
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| posted on 6/1/06 at 09:01 PM |
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sounds like your over qualified to build a car!
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Messenjah
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| posted on 6/1/06 at 09:02 PM |
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the idea is tho i want to build one and was thinking about a welding course
i get where you are coming form and maybe a kit would be a better option
and yeah you are right there is no rush to start tomorrow at all i am to have it complete whatever route i go down by around may time not next year
but the year after which will be about halfway through my year out after a levels and then ill go on a trip round europe in it which is why i want to
build rather then buy so i can fix if it breaks on the trip
as at that time id be 19 which gives much more scope for actually being able to afford to insure it lol and then id have it in time for uni lol
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JoelP
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| posted on 6/1/06 at 09:16 PM |
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i love driving, but i still think most of the fun is in the fabrication. If you fancy welding, by all means do a course and stick a chassis together.
Or as a good way to fill up a few months, why not make a small box trailer? Its good practice and still fun, but you dont have to insure it and risk
killing yourself when done! If i were you, id get a nippy normal car, and aim to finish the locost in a few years, maybe by 19, when insurance will be
so much easier to bear. If the building is just a hurdle on the way to having a finished car, then i guess you may as well buy a kit! Otherwise, take
your time and enjoy it. If you look after any tools you get, they will last ages.
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