Adam Kindness
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| posted on 14/2/06 at 05:18 AM |
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Kits suited to c20xe
hi 
First post after finding the site a few hours ago.
I'm interested in building a car to take an engine i already have in my current track car.
Which kits are most suited to take the vaux c20xe? Any links, costs, or any other info would be greatly appreciated!
The engine spec is
C20XE, bored out to 2100cc
SBD 88mm forged, pocketed pistons,
SBD valve caps
SBD valve seats
SBD valve springs
SBD 284 cams
SBD verneir pullies
SBD typeC exhaust manifold, ceramic coated
Coscat head with headwork by powerzone
ARP rod bolts
ARP head studs
Cometic metal head gasket
QED DTH Throttle Bodies
QED dis pack
Knife edged, lightened and balanced crank.
DTAfast 3D ECU
LET injectors
thanks for any help
2.3 Impreza, 2.1 Impreza, 911 SC, X5 MSport
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big_wasa
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| posted on 14/2/06 at 07:17 AM |
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Nice spec engine.
will fit most cars with suitable gearbox.
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ned
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| posted on 14/2/06 at 07:30 AM |
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Similar spec to my engine, whats the engine currently in? Depending on current situation it'll probably need a new exhaust system (or at least
manifold) and a different sump.
I am putting mine in my locost which I built myself. I modified the transmission tunnel slightly to get the engine further back than normal.
NSdev has a stuart taylor locost, skippad has one in an mk indy, I have some pics of one in a mac1 and a luego velocity. Others have also built their
own chassis's such as stu16v.
Check out the photo archives of above users and post up any questions. The engine should fit i pretty much any manufacturers chassis. The degree of
fabrication you want to do may sway things slightly eg who has engine mounts off the shelf etc if you're not able to make your own.
welcome and enjoy..
Ned.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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Adam Kindness
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| posted on 14/2/06 at 07:59 PM |
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evening.
I'll go check the pics out etc.
I'd prefer to buy mounts etc.... i can weld, but its not the best yet  LOL
Any links to kit prices, and contents?
I'm aware of the shorter sump and new exhaust manifold requirements....
The engine is currently in
whoops
2.3 Impreza, 2.1 Impreza, 911 SC, X5 MSport
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locost7-online.com
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| posted on 14/2/06 at 08:25 PM |
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are you selling the shell?
Locost Xflow 150bhp injected! Sold :-(
Facebook blog https://www.facebook.com/Johns-Tiger-Avon-Build-814223212056368/
PLEASE NOTE THIS MEMBER IS NOT A TRADER.
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billy
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| posted on 14/2/06 at 08:46 PM |
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Great engine that  why dont you realy push the boat out and look here http://www.robinhoodengineering.co.uk/main_page.htm
luego-lo-cost finished,vauxhall 16v 2.0,twin 45s de-dion rear set up
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Adam Kindness
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| posted on 14/2/06 at 09:07 PM |
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Billy - thanks for the link.
locost7 - no planning to. Just re-shelled the bugger after a mishap (bent chassis leg etc) So its now in a perfect 2000 plate shell. Planning to just
pop a c20let into it once the xe is moved to better platform.
Its a pretty much drop in swap with the shell... uprated mounts, shafts, gearbox, 300mm 4 pots etc.
Currently building a 205 GTi for the missus, but truth be told the shell isnt the best. It's being built on a budget so may take it on for a
year, then sell and give her the white corsa.
205
Would this Stuart Taylor chassis be suitable for my engine?
http://www.stuart-taylor.co.uk/locoblade.html
and the RH looks good, opinions
http://www.robinhoodengineering.co.uk/Bolteon.htm
2.3 Impreza, 2.1 Impreza, 911 SC, X5 MSport
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billy
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| posted on 14/2/06 at 09:37 PM |
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Hey adam, those houses behind your garage looks like the ones in last of the summer wine you live up there???
luego-lo-cost finished,vauxhall 16v 2.0,twin 45s de-dion rear set up
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Adam Kindness
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| posted on 14/2/06 at 09:45 PM |
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na LOL
I live in sunny Edinburgh, although i'm in India just now.
2.3 Impreza, 2.1 Impreza, 911 SC, X5 MSport
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NS Dev
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| posted on 16/2/06 at 12:54 AM |
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That's the Stuart Taylor chassis I am using!
It's a tight fit but it does go!
I would strongly recommend trying to get a good look and photographs of a Caterham - Vauxhall HPC before you start, most of what Caterham did to get
the engine into their car need to be done to get it into the Stuart Taylor chassis.
Retro RWD is the way forward...........automotive fabrication, car restoration, sheetmetal work, engine conversion
retro car restoration and tuning
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NS Dev
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| posted on 16/2/06 at 12:55 AM |
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.....well, not so much into the chassis, it's getting it under the std bonnet line that's tricky and I did not want to use a bulge. I like
the "std crossflow power" look of the car with no bulges!!!
Retro RWD is the way forward...........automotive fabrication, car restoration, sheetmetal work, engine conversion
retro car restoration and tuning
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Adam Kindness
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| posted on 16/2/06 at 09:39 PM |
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what was invloved then?
Mounting the engine lower, and swaping to a shallower sump?
2.3 Impreza, 2.1 Impreza, 911 SC, X5 MSport
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Marcus
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| posted on 16/2/06 at 10:01 PM |
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I'm interested in how you get an XE in wthout all the bulges to clear the cam pulleys.
Always a Vauxhall / Opel fan, I'd junk the crossflow for one of these.
Can it be done on the cheap, without dry sumping etc?
Don't mind Megasquirt to ditch standard injection.
Marcus
Marcus
Because kits are for girls!!
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ned
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| posted on 16/2/06 at 10:57 PM |
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you can cut and shut the standard ally sump if you can tig, or get a steel one from an 8v engine and mig it. westfield/sbd/qed do an expensive ally
shallow sump with pickup. caterham have a shallower still foam filled ally sump.
some also use the winged ally sump from a manta 1.8 or a steel winged one from yukspeed.
you can cut the flange off the rocker cover and run without the cambelt cover, this gains another 3/4". for engine position photo's check
my archive and do a search as it was discussed once before. Both myself and NSDev and stu16v and billy have our xe's under standard height
locost bonnets, so its quite doable.
cheers,
Ned.
[Edited on 16/2/06 by ned]
beware, I've got yellow skin
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Adam Kindness
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| posted on 17/2/06 at 05:46 AM |
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i have no belt cover, i've junked standard inlet.... I'm thinking about drysumping soon
2.3 Impreza, 2.1 Impreza, 911 SC, X5 MSport
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ruudbeckers
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| posted on 2/3/06 at 06:27 PM |
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Doesn't some omega's also have a winged sump? I believe the x20xev engines. And mij Astra OPC with x20xer engine also has a winged sump.
Don't know if these are shallower as a standard sump and if these will fit a c20xe? Also don't know if these are hard to find.
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NS Dev
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| posted on 3/3/06 at 12:30 AM |
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The various winged sumps are not really any shallower than the std astra sump unfortunately..
I am using a Caterham foam filled wet sump, which is the same depth as a dry sump. I paid £150 for the sump, foam and a caterham HPC propshaft, all
off ebay
Some pics:
 
progress1
 
progress2
Caterham sump at installed height from the side:
 
sump clearance
The cam cover on the engine is the std one not the modified one. The one I will be using will have the front lip that normally supports the belt cover
removed,, as Ned said.
You also need to remember to remove the black steel rear belt cover, or stones will have the belt off with no front cover.
Retro RWD is the way forward...........automotive fabrication, car restoration, sheetmetal work, engine conversion
retro car restoration and tuning
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ned
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| posted on 3/3/06 at 09:00 AM |
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Nat, with the black steel back plate removed how have you done the tensioner? I've borrowed a bit a friend had machined up to hold the standard
tensioner pulley on, but need to get one made myself.
Ned.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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James
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| posted on 3/3/06 at 11:11 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Adam
and the RH looks good, opinions
http://www.robinhoodengineering.co.uk/Bolteon.htm
Opinions:
Look around at other Seven manufacturers: (MK, Luego, GTS, MNR) before jumping the Robin Hood route as there have been some comments by RH builders
about the quality of the kit.
HTH,
James
[Edited on 3/3/06 by James]
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"The fight is won or lost far away from witnesses, behind the lines, in the gym and out there on the road, long before I dance under those lights."
- Muhammad Ali
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ruudbeckers
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| posted on 3/3/06 at 04:13 PM |
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How deep are those shallower sumps??
The winged sump of a x20xev consists of 2 pieces. The upperpart is 7 cm's deep, don't know about the lower part. But perhaps you can bold a
plat aluminium plate to the upperpart to close the underside creating a 7 cm deep sump. is this a good idea? Or is it to shallow?
I can get the upper part for about 15 pounds.
See picture for upper part.
[Edited on 4/3/06 by ruudbeckers]
 
Rescued attachment sump.JPG
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NS Dev
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| posted on 5/3/06 at 12:34 AM |
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An interesting idea Ruudbeckers!
The caterham sump is not much more than 70mm deep, will check tomorrow, but it is around that depth.
Retro RWD is the way forward...........automotive fabrication, car restoration, sheetmetal work, engine conversion
retro car restoration and tuning
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NS Dev
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| posted on 5/3/06 at 12:36 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ned
Nat, with the black steel back plate removed how have you done the tensioner? I've borrowed a bit a friend had machined up to hold the standard
tensioner pulley on, but need to get one made myself.
Ned.
Dead simple but a tad crude! Just chop the pivot arm off with the angle grinder and set the tension with your hand / a bar! The centre bolt locks the
pulley in position anyway, the arm is only used to set the tension initially.
Retro RWD is the way forward...........automotive fabrication, car restoration, sheetmetal work, engine conversion
retro car restoration and tuning
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NS Dev
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| posted on 5/3/06 at 12:39 AM |
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PS I did chop a little piece out of one of my black rear covers, the bit with the TDC pointer for the crank pulley on it, it's near a bolt hole
for one of the cover mounting screws, where it screws to the oil pump casing.
I slotted across the pump casing and into the cover, then chopped the piece out, and hold it in place with the screw, then you have a TDC pointer
which is handy!
Retro RWD is the way forward...........automotive fabrication, car restoration, sheetmetal work, engine conversion
retro car restoration and tuning
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Adam Kindness
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| posted on 7/12/06 at 03:36 AM |
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haha
still looking into this!
Would now pref to buy a car with c20xe in... where's the best place to find said car?
Where are the cars for sale on here? Can just find parts.
2.3 Impreza, 2.1 Impreza, 911 SC, X5 MSport
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 7/12/06 at 12:29 PM |
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Don't tend to get very many cars for sale, people are too busy building and driving them! Also there aren't that many Locosts around with
the 20XE, most of them either have old school iron like Xflow or Pinto or bike engines.
Keep an eye on the For Sale section but also have a look at Ebay.
Depending on your budget you might want to take a look at Westfield:
http://boardroom.wscc.co.uk/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?act=SF;f=9
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