SyKaTurbo
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| posted on 21/8/07 at 03:09 PM |
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SVA mods - then removed
I have seen a few times now where people who have done mods to pass the SVA and then removed them afterward for example distancing front indicators
for example.
Is this legal? or is it just classed the same as putting a cat back on a car before the mot, then removing it once its passed? Could a police officer
issue a VRN for a non legal car if inspected?
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smart51
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| posted on 21/8/07 at 03:13 PM |
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What people do and what is legal are not always the same. I've left my long indicators and nut and bolt trim on, on the grounds that they do no
harm, don't look bad and I'm on the right side of the legal line.
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DarrenW
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| posted on 21/8/07 at 03:16 PM |
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in theory you can get into trouble but as the MOT requirements differ from SVA there seems to be some artistic interpretation. I doubt if many Police
would know what is needed to pass SVA but its not unusual for VOSA to conduct roadside checks.
In practice, very few people make significant changes post SVA and in the main id guess they are along the ines of some bits not put back on after
maintenance / upgrades, in a similar way to working on type approved cars. Most of what is required for SVA makes sense and the various covers add
some weather protection to exposed parts of the cars.
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iank
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| posted on 21/8/07 at 03:21 PM |
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Half of the halfords ripspeed range will cause a tintop to fail an SVA test. Is it illegal to fit those parts? grey area really, how would a
policeman know without doing a full SVA retest which bits aren't correct?
However such 'modifications' could theoretically be used against you if you have a prang.
One that has been mentioned on here before is switching to small motorbike lights, that could be used against you in a night time bump and insurance
could be invalidated.
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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SyKaTurbo
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| posted on 21/8/07 at 03:46 PM |
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I just get a fair bit of hassle off the police with my other car and with all the other ones I have built I have got them all 100% legal with the mot
and run them that way so when i'm building or planning I'd like to put some thought into mods that are SVA friendly and legal not just for
the SVA but for using after.
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DarrenW
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| posted on 21/8/07 at 04:04 PM |
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Sounds like a good plan to me. Starting point is the VOSA book. Some bits look a bit naff and its hard to do another way - such as front covering bits
but if done with some thought will look OK and dont detract from the performance of the car. most other bits make the car safe which is a good thing.
There is not much that you would want to change after SVA unless you are making enhancements, after all the cars are never finished, for me its an
ongoing hobby.
I regard SVA as quality control. Its been a great thing for our hobby imho.
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Dangle_kt
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| posted on 21/8/07 at 04:46 PM |
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I must admit that my bikes have rarely been 100% legal and I've had no bother. (they arn't big deals - just minor stuff)
I doubt there are many police that know every law in every detail - and they certainly don't have the time to go and PRO ACTIVLY check every car
on the road.
In my experience if you are driving/riding in a safe manner then the police leave you alone - if you are bein a tool then when they pull you they will
rip you apart for it and (quite rightly) fine you for anything wrong with your car/bike.
I make a decision each time I ride - I know if I get caught I might get in trouble and I'd deserve it.
BUT if you are going to the trouble to make it pass the SVA then I don't see the point of removing stuff that doesn't slow you down and /
or protects you or your passengers.
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NeilP
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| posted on 21/8/07 at 05:43 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by DarrenW
I regard SVA as quality control. Its been a great thing for our hobby imho.
With Darren on this one - The requirements are not onerous and most of the jobs that might be considered 'naff' are one offs so
you'll never have to worry about them again...
If you pay peanuts...
Mentale, yar? Yar, mentale!
Drive it like you stole it!
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 21/8/07 at 06:22 PM |
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I wonder how many of us have changed the steering wheel for instance after SVA? which doesn't come into the MOT test as long as it is secure.
SVA tester handed me my MAC and said I could change the wheel in the car park , as he said "it was OK at the time of the test"Doubt very
much that plod is going to comment on such mods. Also how many of us have satnav mounted on a rubber sucker on the screen? Automatic MOT failure!
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Simon
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| posted on 21/8/07 at 07:28 PM |
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As rusty said - my retest examiner looked at my steering wheel (Sierra item) and said he doubted it would be on there long.
I changed it while he was inside writing out me MAC! Was safer for me drive with new wheel - I could turn it without wearing out me knees.
I think common sense dictates here. The edging trim around wheelarches looks ok once you've had it on for 1/2 hour, all other bits of covering
are soon forgotten about.
Replacing indicators, well I've got some new carbon effect ones to go on. They're slightly smaller, E marked and will still be mounted in
a legal position.
Putting a chavy Halfrauds touring car ally spoiler on boot of tin top is downright dangerous. None of the agdes are radiussed to start with.
ATB
Simon
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smart51
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| posted on 21/8/07 at 09:28 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by iank
One that has been mentioned on here before is switching to small motorbike lights, that could be used against you in a night time bump and insurance
could be invalidated.
I had motorcycle indicators on the front of mine at SVA and passed. I have extensions on them so that they are near enough to the edges.
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russbost
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| posted on 21/8/07 at 10:06 PM |
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3 different sets of regs, SVA, MoT, construction & use. I believe for road use you have to comply with construction & use, to pass MoT, you
need to comply with MoT (but only on the day & time of test!), to comply with SVA you need to comply with SVA - fun isn't it!
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matt_claydon
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| posted on 22/8/07 at 07:26 AM |
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As above.
SVA (or type approval) is the standard you must reach to register a car. Post registration you must comply with Construction & Use (C&U, find
them in a library if you're really interested!) and the Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations (RVLR, you can read these online). The standards
required by these are not as high as at the time of approval but still cover lots of typical 'post SVA' mods. The MOT is essentially a
check of compliance with C&U and RVLR, but is limited in its scope to keep the cost and time taken down to a reasonable level.
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iank
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| posted on 22/8/07 at 07:50 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by smart51
quote:
Originally posted by iank
One that has been mentioned on here before is switching to small motorbike lights, that could be used against you in a night time bump and insurance
could be invalidated.
I had motorcycle indicators on the front of mine at SVA and passed. I have extensions on them so that they are near enough to the edges.
Sorry I obviously wasn't clear enough  . It's headlights I'm talking about not indicators.
Anything with traditional style headlights smaller than 5.25" won't be dipping properly (the beam shape will be wrong even if
they've been mucked about with) and the markings will be all wrong for car use.
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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SyKaTurbo
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| posted on 22/8/07 at 08:29 AM |
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Ah right so the steering wheel is another gray area.
Thanks for all the replies. Plenty to think about now while building.
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Angel Acevedo
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| posted on 22/8/07 at 05:01 PM |
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I will build to SVA standard if possible, not that I`ll need it here, but I think it`s sensible to do so for my own good.
Beware of what you wish.. for it may come true....
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iank
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| posted on 22/8/07 at 05:08 PM |
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Mildly related I was following a skip lorry this morning and noticed that the operator was obviously trying to avoid the lights being smashed
(probably an occupational hazard for a skip waggon).
To protect them he'd welded rebar around them as a cage, bent forwards around the lights presumably so they didn't catch on his overalls.
Unfortunately leaving the ends as lethal spears for any pedestrians he might clip.
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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