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posted on 29/6/13 at 07:06 PM
Because its fitted into a car which is tested to the same standard as any other car depending on age . Quads , buggies and microcars are exempted from
emmisions testing . There is a section in the guide covering engine swaps so no way round it unless you find somewhere that isn't bothered about
following the guide .
Was thinking just that froggy. Broadcasting on possibly the busiest kit car forum that you intend to build a vehicle that requires IVA and that you
are not going to simply because you have a chassis number and V5 that you can use on it isn't the brightest move. IMO this is as bad as someone
using the donor v5 and chassis number to use their kit on the road.
One here with a Kawasaki engine, must be road legal it says so in the title. That's VU07BNE for anyone wanting to check the details Friendly
MOT tester who isn't bothered about staying in business much longer when VOSA check up on him.
[Edited on 29/6/13 by Peteff]
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
quote:Originally posted by Peteff
One here with a Kawasaki engine, must be road legal it says so in the title. That's VU07BNE for anyone wanting to check the details
[Edited on 29/6/13 by Peteff]
VU07BNE
GSMOON
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257cc - OH DEAR
PETROL
08/08/2007
quote:Originally posted by froggy
Going from 3-4 wheels is a change of test class
Not necessarily - a trike weighing more than 450kg is a Class 4 test... bung on another wheel and it's still a Class 4 test.
But yes, I get your point - it's highly unlikley that a tester is going to suss the new engine in the Quad has caused it to exceed it's
maximum net power and can therefore no longer be legally classed as a Quad.
quote:Originally posted by Peteff
One here with a Kawasaki engine, must be road legal it says so in the title. That's VU07BNE for anyone wanting to check the details Friendly
MOT tester who isn't bothered about staying in business much longer when VOSA check up on him.
[Edited on 29/6/13 by Peteff]
Not sure I'd want to be driving one of them on the road with no seatbelts and 100+bhp
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Building: up the courage for post thirteen thousand and one
posted on 30/6/13 at 09:08 AM
quote:Originally posted by Dixyman666
quote:Originally posted by matt_claydon
Out of interest, how are these got through mSVA as there is a max power of 15kW for quadricycles? Do you fit a restrictor or something?
It originally had a 16bhp 250cc engine, it's already road legal so I don't need a sva test
So you are replacing a 16 bhp engine with one that without looking up the data puts out 160 bhp or more???
Are you going to modifiy the chassis, suspension, steering and brakes etc: to ensure it handle the extra power safely? If not, then let's hope
you carry donor card with you.
I'm just thinking you could quite easily hit something at 70mph, and what you hit is rollbar... Good luck to you, and it's probably a
great laugh to drive/ride just looks to me like it's slightly more dangerous than a motorbike...
Plus it's not so much worry, more "we'd like you to make sure that when you floor it the engine won't rip out of the frame,
and you'll be able to stop too"
They'll be no chance of the engine falling out, it'll have brembo 4 pots on the front and 2 pots on the back with gaz coilovers with
adjustable dampening etc I can't seem to be able to upload pics to this site from my I phone so I guess ill have to upload them using my
computer ?
A bit bizarre to think that if you keep something quiet it means it will be ok.
The vehicle will be illegal to use on the road as any mot and insurance will not be valid (it mayjust become harder to detect as illegal). Illegal due
to it not being declared as a radically altered vehicle, so radical it has changed class.
You would need to alter the chassis at least to house the engine and much more since the original was designed to handle about 16hp. You need to alter
the brakes and suspension to cope with the changed engine. power and transmission all resulting in a radically altered vehicle.
The tester does not simply "test what is presented". If I present a double decker bus running the identity of a Dutton (including vin
plates etc) I would expect the test station to say the test cannot proceed as the vehicle does not correctly match the documented
description/identity
Silly example but the point is there.
I know this instance is confused further as the mot test is basically the same however would this vehicle be tested as a quad or as a car? it should
not be tested as a quad as it clearly no longer qualifies as a quad, if as a car then the registration docs. would be wrong. In either case the test
cannot proceed.
Actually it shouldn't get as far as an mot as when you declare the engine change it should flag up at dvla as a change in class from quad to
car and thus the need for iva as a radically altered vehicle and if the engine change is not declared it still cannot be mot tested as the engine
numbers and capacity would clearly not match the registration docs. You may find Dvla abscond from any responsibility for advising you of this by
simply saying its up to you to get it right.
Any mot tester that simply input the details already on the registration documents without checking validity would be negligent although this happens
a lot and is sometimes called "a friendly mot tester".
Having an mot certificate is not the same as having the car legally mot'd. It is clearly possible to misrepresent the vehicle and con the mot
tester.
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Building: reliant kitten saab 234 holset vgt turbo
posted on 30/6/13 at 10:07 AM
I would take your time getting the front suspension geometry sorted as comedy bump steer might be ok at 50 mph but not at 100 . I had a customer who
had a few of these for corporate events and they didn't stand up well to being driven hard . As the front lifts it goes into toe out which
isn't a good thing .
This would be presented as a gs moon buggy with an engine swap.
Test class hasn't changed and the only difference I can see is it would fall under different rules for emmisions testing . I'm not obliged
to weigh anything unless its too heavy ffor my equiptment to lift . Any alterations to the vehicle are assessed on their own merits I can't
simply refuse to test it because the engine has changed .
If I was presented with a double decker bus with a bed and sink fitted I would test it as a class 4
If this came in and the vin matched the data on the device coming back as a class 4 test I don't see a reason to refuse to test regardless of
the outcome . Where the wheels fall off is if the tester enters the new engine capacity which would then involve dvla or Vosa .
Interesting question and not one id make a decision on without asking my area office about
My mot tester will test it as a standard unmodified vehicle, If anything happens ill just say I modified it after the mot, simple. Can we concentrate
on the build and not whether it is or isn't road legal !! Thankyou
I understand its an interesting build and you want to discuss the technicalities, its one I would love to see and I hope it turns out well, it should
be a blast. The problem is that your post includes the term road legal so this has inevitably become a major point of the discussion particularly as
the fact is it wont be road legal (without an IVA).
Having done with that now (waiting for the grand prix to start) please make sure you post some updates including pics as you progress.
No worries I just wanted to build something a bit different, it's just a fun project for me and if I can get it legal all the better. Ill try to
put pics up again soon.
Ive only just read this thread from start to finish and is it just me who finds the attitude to the legalities appalling
Phrases like it'll be fine and you lot worry too much quite frankly are something I would expect from a child. If your staying off road then
these projects are top fun I've even built one myself from scratch, but blindly putting one on the road is a different kettle of fish. Imagine
if you were involved in an accident and the other car turned out to be incorrectly registered, incorrectly tested, voided insurance etc I'm
pretty sure you wouldnt be very happy.
Accept the fact if you want road legal you will HAVE to iva it.
Friendly
MOT tester who isn't bothered about staying in business much longer when VOSA check up on him. 
