Ben_Copeland
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| posted on 27/11/13 at 03:37 PM |
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I don't think your allowed to tow a trailer plated higher than your cars towable limit.
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daveb666
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| posted on 27/11/13 at 03:56 PM |
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This is confusing me!
Is this the bit that means I can't do what I want:
"the fully-loaded trailer weight isn’t more than the unladen vehicle weight"
[Edited on 27/11/13 by daveb666]
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Ben_Copeland
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| posted on 27/11/13 at 04:50 PM |
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Basically means you can put a big ass trailer behind a mini.
You wouldn't want to tow something heavier than you tow vehicle it would be dangerous as your brakes will useless
I've just towed a Vauxhall omega behind my 63 plate vito van on an aframe. On braking I could feel it lifting the back suspension slightly. That
van is rated for that tow weight!! If I was pulling it with a lighter car it would of been nasty
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puma931
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| posted on 27/11/13 at 05:56 PM |
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+1 
quote:
Originally posted by Barkalarr
What about what puma931 has done
 
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daniel mason
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| posted on 27/11/13 at 06:19 PM |
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you cant do that unfortunately.
its the max gross of trailer you have to add to the cars gvw. which will be above your figure on a golf.
this is the strange thing;
assuming you had a car with a 2000kg gvw.
you could tow a 1450kg rated trailer(max gross) eg 450kg unladen + 1000kg imposed load fully loaded to the 3450kg
but you COULD NOT TOW a 1550kg rated one weighing 450kg unladen even if it was empty! as you be at 3550kg
its stupid!
you could comfortably have a lightweight trailer and a 7 coming in under 1000kg if needed! assuming your 7 isnt a big lardy CEC!
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Ben_Copeland
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| posted on 27/11/13 at 08:23 PM |
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Your better odd making one or deplating one
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daveb666
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| posted on 28/11/13 at 08:54 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by daniel mason
you cant do that unfortunately.
its the max gross of trailer you have to add to the cars gvw. which will be above your figure on a golf.
this is the strange thing;
assuming you had a car with a 2000kg gvw.
you could tow a 1450kg rated trailer(max gross) eg 450kg unladen + 1000kg imposed load fully loaded to the 3450kg
but you COULD NOT TOW a 1550kg rated one weighing 450kg unladen even if it was empty! as you be at 3550kg
its stupid!
you could comfortably have a lightweight trailer and a 7 coming in under 1000kg if needed! assuming your 7 isnt a big lardy CEC!
Sorry for being thick, still not getting it.
My golf weight is 1,385kg. The gross weight is 1,860kg.
Therefore, what is the maximum amount I can tow? I thought as long as the trailer (with my locost on) is less than 1,175kg (the cars max towing
weight) and the TOTAL amount of both combined is <3,500kg then that's OK ?
no? 
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Ben_Copeland
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| posted on 28/11/13 at 09:27 AM |
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From what I understand:
You can't drive a vehicle train higher than 3500kg
You can't tow a trailer rated higher than the cars limit (empty or not) and/or rated heavier than 3500kg including cars weight.
You can't tow a trailer heavier than the cars weight or limit.
You can't tow an un braked trailer heavier than 750kg.
[Edited on 28/11/13 by Ben_Copeland]
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daveb666
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| posted on 28/11/13 at 10:42 PM |
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Right, spent age reading on all this tonight. Basically there is no direct-legal way for me to get my 550kg kit car on to a trailer and tow with my
Golf, as the plated weight of the trailer would always be 1500kg+ or whatever, thereby pushing me close to the 3,500kg but also going over the 1,175kg
of my cars weight.
Thereby, the only way I believe I can get round this rule is to A. Build a caravan trailer and make my own 'plate', buy a proper trailer
and replace the 'plate'.
Naughty, but illegal if I know that I genuinely will never exceed the trailer weight + my locost weight?
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Ben_Copeland
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| posted on 28/11/13 at 11:23 PM |
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If you build your own then nobody knows the age therefore you don't need a plate because it was built before plates were needed
Or as you say replate a trailer to a lower plate, which is fine because your downgrading it not upgrading.
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907
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| posted on 29/11/13 at 05:55 AM |
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Hi All.
As far as the regs go they certainly don't make it easy but I think I am within the law.
I couldn't find a trailer of the size and weight (carrying capacity to suit my car) so I took an odd rout that fitted my requirements.
I wanted it to be as low as possible, and no wider than the tow car. Twin axle, and capable of carrying a tonne (ish) while staying
within the 1700kgs max towing weight of my Passat TDI estate.
So I bought a new Alco chassis with axles fitted with 10" wheels and 195 tyres. This combination is rated at 1100kgs per axle.
I made the deck myself so that the wheels were inboard and the mudguards, which are incorporated in the floor, car be driven
over by the car being loaded.
The trailer weighs 420kgs so with a load of 1000kgs (say an MX5) and with a few tools I'm still well within legal limits.
I plated the trailer accordingly.
I'm pleased with the way it tows and having inboard wheels cuts down the width. Where the car goes, the trailer will go.
Cheers,
Paul G
 
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[Edited on 29/11/13 by 907]
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daniel mason
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| posted on 29/11/13 at 07:25 AM |
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why cant you get a brian james clubman/minno with a rating of 1380kg? like i said
or alternatively get them to de rate the plate to 675kg imposed load 1000kg total (added to the 375kg max gross)
you can NOT tow a trailer heavier than the car (max gross figures on both) and they must not add up to over 3500kg.
the only way you can tow over 3500kgs is if your driving a 3500kg rated vehicle.then you can tow up to 750kg adding to 4250kg.
brian james de rate loading plates for people!
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daveb666
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| posted on 29/11/13 at 08:20 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by daniel mason
why cant you get a brian james clubman/minno with a rating of 1380kg? like i said
or alternatively get them to de rate the plate to 675kg imposed load 1000kg total (added to the 375kg max gross)
you can NOT tow a trailer heavier than the car (max gross figures on both) and they must not add up to over 3500kg.
the only way you can tow over 3500kgs is if your driving a 3500kg rated vehicle.then you can tow up to 750kg adding to 4250kg.
brian james de rate loading plates for people!
Hi Daniel,
after reading all the comments above I'd pretty much decided that hiring a trailer when needed would be the best choice; but obviously this
won't work as they'll all have their original weight plates fitted (generally 1,500kg +).
I'm actually looking at the Micromax trailers, as these are the smallest BJ trailers but more than big enough for my car and as light as you can
get.
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