JoelP
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 03:34 PM |
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deffo an intentional error.
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 03:36 PM |
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Better quality on board footage here
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bazwaz
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 03:52 PM |
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Under investigation.
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=36063
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Peteff
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 04:17 PM |
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That video says it all. He looked like he was parking up for the shopping, locked the front and went wide my @rse. Put him at the back or start him
from the pit lane if they still do that.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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andyps
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 04:28 PM |
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There have been many questionable decisions about the legality of Ferrari cars and their actions whilst the cobbler has been driving for them. Anyone
remember the incident in the year he broke his leg when the car was found illegal at teh end of one of the races, Ross Brawn stood up and showed
everyone where it was wrong, and how it contravened the regulations, yet somehow they managed to escape a penalty because it was a
"manufacturing" error - by about 1cm in an F1 car. Come off it, I doubt any builder on here would be happy with that much tolerance!!
Also generally thought that Ferrari used a similar fuel tank to that which got Honda a 2 race ban, but they were not investigated - their performance
went down straight afterwards though.
So does he cheat? Depends on a definition of cheat I guess, but todays manouvre looks very suspicious to me, especially at Monaco where pole is so
important.
Andy
An expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less
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Johnmor
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 04:36 PM |
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Its amazing how much debate the phrase "give the guy a break " can generate.
I must admit the video looks bad, If he had reversed on to the track and hit other cars it would have been worse, and judging by the prevoius few
corners he had totally shot his brakes.
But that little shimme of the steering wheel doesen't look good.
I await the judges decission.
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 04:44 PM |
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Im not sure how he could have shot his brakes in qualifying after only a handful of slow laps then a single qualifying blast, they arent allowed to
change pads etc between qualifying and the race so if he was in trouble there, then he'll only last a handful of laps tomorrow.
I agree if he'd backed into someone whilst trying to manouvre away from the barrier then it could have been worse, but what he did at that point
IMHO isnt relevent, it was how he got there to start with that's the problem.
I know you think there's a witch-hunt against Schuey here but honestly, if someone else did it I think most would be fundamentally saying the
same thing and calling for them to be put to the back etc, its just that Michael has a less than pure history in these kind of things so that stirs
things up even more.
[Edited on 27/5/06 by ChrisGamlin]
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Browser
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 05:39 PM |
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I remember reading somewhere a quote by a mechanic for one of the other teams saying that Ferrari are colloquially known as TCB by everyone else.
TCB= Those Cheating Ba****ds
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Johnmor
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 05:50 PM |
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Very few people called them that when Mclaren was winning all the races,
Then, they were the best hope of a good race.
Every team pushes the rules to the limit,
Honda (fuel tanks) McLaren (chassis weight) Renault (tyres) Redbull (engine design)
Its just a case of who does it best, and the loosers moan that "its not fair"when they get caught.
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JoelP
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 05:54 PM |
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i must point out, stretching the rules is a completely different game to unsporting behaviour.
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BKLOCO
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 06:58 PM |
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Sorry guys The question of did he cheat or not is answered bu the fact that he is German driving for Italians!!!
No question!!!
Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want!!! 
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I love speed :-P
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 07:42 PM |
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http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=36071
the plot thickens
Don't Steal
The Government doesn’t like the competition
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zenarcher
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 08:10 PM |
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From the same source,this was part of Maclaren CEO Whitmarch's comment.
Whitmarsh also related Kimi Raikkonens wry observation on the Schumacher incident.
"I think the best comment I've heard on it since it happened was Kimi's own view that in fact he(Shumacher) should've taken
one hand off the steering wheel, covered the camera with one hand, and done it with the other..."
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Hellfire
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 08:32 PM |
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If Schumacher felt the need to cheat, he would have made a better job of it than that. Despite the fact that he's the most talented driver
ever to grace Formula 1 and also a legend in your lifetime, he is still only human. 
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theconrodkid
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 08:44 PM |
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i cant see any locking of wheels,he straightens up for the tight full lock corner,he was going so slowly, he just brushed the covering on the tyre
barrier.
without doubt one of the best drivers out there he shouldnt have made a mistake like that.
looks like "ferrari tactics".
will he get pushed to the back of the grid?
who cares who wins
pass the pork pies
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tks
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 10:07 PM |
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well
the answer is yes!!
its better of the sport, because i personally didn't take the fia with their stupid rulez to seriously...but seeing this and he won't
get punished is weird...
sow i'm glad he is punished for what he did...
i'm sure they could imagine a number of rulez he had broken by just parking his car there...
for me case is done altough medication doesn't heals wounds, i never liked schumachter because of this actions...
you always smell something of thiskind of things when you see him smileing...
its like the famous best guy in class wich is the biggest asshole there is..
Tks
The above comments are always meant to be from the above persons perspective.
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omega 24 v6
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 10:22 PM |
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It's a "we'll never know for sure situation" but the general overall concensus is it was deliberate so the back of the grid
beckons
The critical error for me in all this was the press conference when the usually well informed efficient German was in a flap and very nervous. He even
said he couldn't remember the name of the corner "rascass or something" I think he said.
The most famous F1 track in the world in history and the multi world champion does'nt know the name of the corner (clang as a bollock is
dropped).
Should be a good race tommorrow and the the superbikes after that. Just finished decorating so I don't get nagged by swmbo for sitting all day
watching TV. Will my car ever get finished???
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 10:46 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by theconrodkid
will he get pushed to the back of the grid?
I have to admitt, it looks very much like it was done on purpose, but it's just so blatant how could ther ever hope to get away with it? Maybe
it's reverse pyschology, make it look like blatant cheating and people will think you'd never make it that obvious
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Peteff
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 11:01 PM |
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Why did he need to reverse? He didn't look that close to the wall in the video, the brakes only locked momentarily and he was still steering the
car after that, towards the wall though.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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tks
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 11:13 PM |
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whas thinking the same
but then i though about the front wing..by turning more in could they touch the walls..
anyway if he would have loosened the brakes a bit the car would go downwards a bit and then he could have escaped easyly with out reverse gear...
also he said somewhere the tried to find reverse..
but he also says i didn't wanted to go reverse because i couldn see traffic comeing...
the stranges move is the steering correction while the backend isn't moveing / sliding/loosing grip...
maybe it wasn't planned but he didn't do much for improveing the situation....
also my opinion is that a fault needs a punishment.... and not a pole posistion...
its that easy!! sow maybe he didn't wanted to but at the end he created that situation.. sow he should be punished..
for it..
You:No agent i didn't wanted to kill him.
Agent: But you did!
for me its that simple...
altough saying that i think that the bar team was bigger punished with the tank incident then schumi on this one...
also i like the 112 rule wich is used:
"Article 112 enables the stewards to delete any number of a driver's qualifying times for a driving infringement, which decision is not
susceptible to appeal," the Statement said. "The stewards accordingly direct that the qualifying times of Michael Schumacher, the driver
of car number five, be deleted. The effect of this is that...the driver will start the race from the back of the grid."
Tks
The above comments are always meant to be from the above persons perspective.
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 28/5/06 at 07:10 AM |
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I recently had an accident in my car, no I didnt do it on purpose.
I know, he as lost pole, wrong decision in my opinion.
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omega 24 v6
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| posted on 28/5/06 at 09:37 AM |
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Does he still have to start with his quali race set up? or does it become an open set up situation as if he qualied outside the top 10?
If so a fuel to the end and one set of tyres and MS could still be well up in the points. I'm not a big fan of the German but he is an out and
out racer. Trouble is, for me he has no personality, if he did his following would be even bigger. He is too clinical/professional and lacks that
certain something. IMHO
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Simon
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| posted on 28/5/06 at 11:50 PM |
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I think if I was to vent my thoughts on him in a public place such as this, I think I'd end up in court.
No, he isn't the best driver of all time. He may have seven title to his name, but at least two seasons were in a car that was simply miles
ahead of anything else.
No. it's no good.
From the MoS.
Headline: "You're a cheat"
Selected quotes (cos I can't be arsed to type them all out)
Keke Rosberg - "He's cheap cheat. He should just go home and leave the sport to honest people".
Flavio Briatore - "It was unbelievable, Schumacher didn't even hit the barrier. He's parked the bloody car in Fernando's way.
It's a disgrace. He's taking everyone for a ride. Someone who was 7 times WC wants us to believe he didn't do it on purpose -
it's fairyland".
Villeneuve - ....... "In fact, Schumacher's reckless driving nine years ago in Jerez caused the FIA, the sport's governing body, to
erase him from the championship records for that season
Australia 1994 - last of season - who drove into who to stop one becoming WC
I think the bloke doesn't understand the concepts of sport and sporting.
And the governing body's complete inability to hand out severe punishment is another reason (aside of the boredom) that I don't
watch F1
ATB
Simon
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wildchild
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| posted on 29/5/06 at 04:05 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by omega 24 v6
Trouble is, for me he has no personality, if he did his following would be even bigger. He is too clinical/professional and lacks that certain
something. IMHO
Compare with Valentino Rossi. Similar long term domination at the top of his sport, but practically everyone likes him. Why? He's not a
miserable git.
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Syd Bridge
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| posted on 29/5/06 at 05:10 PM |
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Did anyone catch the comment from Martin Brundle, that Ferrari had taken the opportunity to change both engines, as the cars were at the back of the
grid anyway?
If they did change them both, then Silverstone should be interesting, with both Ferraris on not too fresh engines.
Cheers,
Syd.
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