DIY Si
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| posted on 11/10/06 at 06:01 PM |
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It's not that much. I pay £450 for 3,000 a year with a blackbird engine, and I'm 22. My first ever 7 too!
“Let your plans be dark and as impenetratable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
My new blog: http://spritecave.blogspot.co.uk/
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JoelP
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| posted on 11/10/06 at 06:50 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by TangoMan
Just to add my two pence worth 
On a recent track day at Teesside ther were several blow-ups on the day. None was a car engine!!
Not fair!  Mine was out because the gearlever broke, and the other chap had an old engine! That said, you could have a spare engine with you and
swap it by hand in a few hours 
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 11/10/06 at 06:54 PM |
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not too sure about the reliability case either.......
Stock hatch 205, 3 engine rebuilds, now 4 see wanted advert.
Blackbird GT1 zero engine re builds, n the GT1 did several thousand road miles too.
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DIY Si
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| posted on 11/10/06 at 07:35 PM |
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As long as oiling isn't an issue, bike engines should be better in some ways, as they are designed to be ragged. They are basically race engines
when compared to 'normal' car engines, and built to rev.
[Edited on 11/10/06 by DIY Si]
“Let your plans be dark and as impenetratable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
My new blog: http://spritecave.blogspot.co.uk/
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Simon
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| posted on 11/10/06 at 07:42 PM |
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Won't beat a car engine for relaxed performance (I've seen BEC's at BST, so no need for anyone to tell me about them - they are
quite impressive!!). Once I've swapped diffs over in my car, I will benefit from this
mph rpm
30 1056
40 1407
50 1759
60 2111
70 2463
80 2815
90 3167
Nice lazy torque, reasonably economical and a bit of a giggle once blown
ATB
Simon
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procomp
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| posted on 12/10/06 at 02:12 PM |
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Hi well after looking at all that bull about the pro's and con's on the engines all i will say is it's more a case of what you put
your engine into . As a 90 bhp 1300 x/flow locost book car is quicker round cadwell park than certain bec and S200 powerd cars.
cheers matt
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smart51
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| posted on 12/10/06 at 02:37 PM |
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Originally posted by procomp
...a 90 bhp 1300 x/flow locost book car is quicker round cadwell park...
So Matt, your saying that if you take teh crossflow out of your book locost, increasing the power from 90 BHP to 150 and reducing the weight by maybe
50kg, you will make the car slower round cadwell park?
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progers
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| posted on 12/10/06 at 02:40 PM |
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I think you also need to equalise the quality of the drivers for a fair comparison....
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DIY Si
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| posted on 12/10/06 at 04:01 PM |
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I can't believe that I'm afraid. Given the same driver, trying just as hard in both cars, I just can not see how the heavier, lower
powered car is ever going to be faster?
“Let your plans be dark and as impenetratable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
My new blog: http://spritecave.blogspot.co.uk/
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t.j.
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| posted on 12/10/06 at 05:01 PM |
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There we go!
What are we looking at?
Locost seven = car
how many wheels; 4 = car
driverlicense = car
weight = car
rules SVA= car
Engine has to be ...
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 12/10/06 at 05:39 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Jon Ison
Stock hatch 205, 3 engine rebuilds, now 4 see wanted advert.
To be fair the 205's suffer badly from oil surge unless dry sumped. A friend of mine went through 5 engines after he starting using slicks in
his rally 205. Each one had a different (wet) sump arrangement, but only since he has moved to a dry sump has it been (mostly) reliable. Almost
270bhp from a normaly aspirated Mi16 is not be sniffed at though, and it would be a perfect engine for a locost.
Then again he could have bought a brand new ZZR1400 and had decent amount of change for the cost of it.
[Edited on 12/10/06 by MikeRJ]
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procomp
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| posted on 13/10/06 at 07:19 AM |
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Hi what i was getting at is that regardless of engine type and bhp is if you put the same package into a project that actualy handels you will have a
much quicker oveall car than a car with loads of bhp/revs and no way of using it to any advantage. And was using a 90bhp locost weighing in at 618kg
inc driver as an example as that car and S200 powerd car and others were there on the same day.
And yes if you take the 90bhp x/flow out and drop a 155 bhp zetec in it dose go an other 9 seconds a lap quicker. And yes both cars were on road tyres
and with a good average driver.
cheers matt
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Hellfire
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| posted on 13/10/06 at 11:29 AM |
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S200 powered car? Should that be S2000?
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3GEComponents
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| posted on 13/10/06 at 12:34 PM |
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It's something i've been wondering about for ages, and after DiySi bought his BEC and raved about it too i was very nearly tempted to go
that route.......but didn't in the end i've gone for an Audi TT lump, with plans to eventually replace the ford box with a Quaife 6 speed,
then drop it off at AMD for their stage 6 conversion, that should be about 460bhp!
PS, Thanks Guys for the get well soon e-mails, i'm doing better, if i could just stay awake!!!
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mandbsheldon
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| posted on 13/10/06 at 01:57 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by procomp
Hi well after looking at all that bull about the pro's and con's on the engines all i will say is it's more a case of what you put
your engine into . As a 90 bhp 1300 x/flow locost book car is quicker round cadwell park than certain bec and S200 powerd cars.
cheers matt
After seeing your car at Cadwell, I'm suprised it made it round at all
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procomp
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| posted on 13/10/06 at 02:00 PM |
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Hi your right iv'e just downgraded the the honda by 1800cc to give you bec blokes a chance .
cheers matt
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mandbsheldon
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| posted on 13/10/06 at 02:02 PM |
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procomp
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| posted on 13/10/06 at 02:02 PM |
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Hi (after seeing your car ect ) I dont understand what you mean explain.
cheers matt
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mandbsheldon
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| posted on 13/10/06 at 05:47 PM |
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Hi matt,
Sorry, just my attempt at humer
Leigh
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DIY Si
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| posted on 13/10/06 at 06:11 PM |
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460?! Planning on buying shares in yoko, avon and goodyear then? Oh, and BP Esso, shell........
“Let your plans be dark and as impenetratable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
My new blog: http://spritecave.blogspot.co.uk/
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Hellfire
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| posted on 14/10/06 at 07:37 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by procomp
Hi what i was getting at is that regardless of engine type and bhp is if you put the same package into a project that actualy handels you will have a
much quicker oveall car than a car with loads of bhp/revs and no way of using it to any advantage. And was using a 90bhp locost weighing in at 618kg
inc driver as an example as that car and S200 powerd car and others were there on the same day.
And yes if you take the 90bhp x/flow out and drop a 155 bhp zetec in it dose go an other 9 seconds a lap quicker. And yes both cars were on road tyres
and with a good average driver.
cheers matt
So what was your fastest lap time around Cadwell in your 618kg locost with 90bhp?
Phil
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procomp
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| posted on 14/10/06 at 09:02 AM |
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Hi a time of 1.45.5 in the locost and 1.36.2 in an LA with 155bhp zetec.
cheers matt
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procomp
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| posted on 14/10/06 at 09:13 AM |
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Hi so why am i getting email agro for simply saying that regardless of what engine you chose a bigger dissision is what you put it into. As i did not
mention Mk or any other manufacturer or even our own product As we only supply race kits and a few to dedicated trackdayers. All though they are
perfectly road legal.
cheers matt
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smart51
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| posted on 14/10/06 at 11:05 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by procomp
Hi so why am i getting email agro for simply saying that regardless of what engine you chose a bigger dissision is what you put it into.
Because you didnt, at least not explicitly. what you seemed to say is that a 90 BHP crossflow is faster than a BEC. The car is of course as
significant as the engine and indeed the driver. A good driver in a crossflow locost will always beat a bad driver in a BEC range rover. that
isn't what you said though.
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procomp
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| posted on 14/10/06 at 01:58 PM |
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Hi i did say bec and S200(S2000). people are getting verry sensative round here despit me trying not to mention any manufacturer or engine type.
I have had an idea to make an extremly light bec it would involve removing the steering rack and wheel also posibbly 2/3rds of the chassis thinking
about it further i think it might even be posibble to do away with two of the wheels. Whith it being so light i think it should be capable of speeds
of upto maybe 180 mph with only 180 bhp. I dont think it would work though as i cant think of a way of getting the reverse to work .
cheers matt
(ps for the sensative people that was meant as a joke.)
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