chrisxr2
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| posted on 16/1/11 at 02:24 PM |
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had about enough
Had about enough with the bloody haynes roadster. Had the car since september when apart from half the drive home from collecting it it has had a
constant misfire or misfuelling issue. (rest of journey homw was on recovery truck. I run the car every couple of weeks to make sure everyrthing is
running ok, upto temp, out for a short drive (Anything spirited is out of the question due to misfire/ misfuel). Due to no fault of the cars i had all
of december of, when i intended to get the car running right. Well nowt but snow ice and freezing temperatures so no work done as i couldnt even get
down to the garage. Drive to get petrol a couple of days ago and when i fill up there is petrol over the forecourt so one of the fuel pipes jubilees
is loose, ok no biggy but left the car to dry before looking at this wee problem. Go down today while wife and little un are out, start car, water
everywhere, looks like its coming from the water pump. I appreciate kit cars will always need fettling but the list of whats wrong gets longer, and i
havent even driven the car enough to know that all the effort sorting stuff out is worth it, i feel like i basically bought an expensive white
elephant. MOJO lost big style at the minute. Also anyone any ideas what else the water leak might be from???
Life moves pretty fast, if you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.
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jacko
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| posted on 16/1/11 at 02:40 PM |
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What engine ?
was /is anti freeze in the engine
[Edited on 16/1/11 by jacko]
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interestedparty
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| posted on 16/1/11 at 02:40 PM |
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You need to take a deep breath, clean up the water etc, then start from the beginning and be methodical. Find out what is wrong and fix it.
You'll usually find it a lot easier to put faults right on a kit car than on a tin-top.
As for where the water is leaking from you haven't even told us what engine it has.
As some day it may happen that a victim must be found,
I've got a little list-- I've got a little list
Of society offenders who might well be underground,
And who never would be missed-- who never would be missed!
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plentywahalla
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| posted on 16/1/11 at 02:46 PM |
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Your misfire and fuel leak could be the same problem. If the fuel pump is mounted level with the tank, when the tank is full the fuel line is under
pressure so will leak fuel everywhere. When the tank is nearly empty the same fuel line will be under partial vacuum and will draw air into the fuel
which will then lead to misfiring.
Can't help with the water leak without more info.
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marcjagman
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| posted on 16/1/11 at 02:56 PM |
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If it was me, pull the the entire fuel line out and replace that way you know it's done right. replace/reseal water pump and check all
hoses/clips. Then take for a test drive, if the misfire is still there then take it to a rolling road.
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AdrianH
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| posted on 16/1/11 at 03:01 PM |
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To provide some info in the interim
The engine is a 2.1 Pinto with twin Webers was 1.6 Pinto bored to 2073 with dizzy and rotor arm fitted.
Adrian
Why do I have to make the tools to finish the job? More time then money.
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big_wasa
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| posted on 16/1/11 at 03:05 PM |
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Your not on your own. Iva seems to change as fast as I can build the thing. Even if that is 6 years and counting 
I would be happy to have your problems and a logbook.
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chrisxr2
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| posted on 16/1/11 at 03:12 PM |
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thanks
Thanks adrian, Wasa thanks for making me feel better, All, just want a couple of days of suitable working weather and a good blast out and all will
seem well again im sure. Did think earlier that every job that could concievably need doing on the kit is way easier than doing on a tintop.
header tank emptied, antifreeze was in and had no issues strting running during the really cold december weather, leak is coming from the top front of
the engine about the middle of the height of timing belt, looks like a waterpump.
[Edited on 16/1/11 by chrisxr2]
Life moves pretty fast, if you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.
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jacko
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| posted on 16/1/11 at 03:23 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by AdrianH
To provide some info in the interim
The engine is a 2.1 Pinto with twin Webers was 1.6 Pinto bored to 2073 with dizzy and rotor arm fitted.
Adrian
If it's a 1.6 bored to 2.1 that seems a lot the bores must be getting thin Not saying it can't be done
has it had anti- freeze in the engine over the cold weather ? if not could be a crack in the block = water leak also check the hole under the water
pump if water is coming out of there you need a new pump
miss fire badly set up carbs ?
or HT leads
cracked dizzy cap Start the car in the dark look for sparks jumping across the leads / cap
what dizzy are you using ? vacuum or are you on mega spark
Jacko
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MkIndy7
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| posted on 16/1/11 at 03:26 PM |
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Our Tuned up high compression Pinto used to eat sparkplugs for fun, so that could be a good place to start for your misfire.
The plugs would appear ok at idle but when there was some load on them we'd get a misfire and it'd sound like a Subaru.
They were ok to look at, but if you twisted the nipple on the end of the spark plug, although it was tight you could feel it moving a fair few
degree's like the center core of the plug was broken.
Or you could often tell which cylinder was at fault by how cold the exhaust was on that cylinder.
For fuel leaks, if you have any fuel pipe that had a black cotton overbraid it always seems to perish under the braiding and then seeps out.
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Peteff
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| posted on 16/1/11 at 03:43 PM |
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My pinto wouldn't run on Motorcraft plugs, they lasted all of 3 days but were alright on tickover, NGK were fine though. There's a little
blank on the water pump which is held on with a jubilee, check if that is still on.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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MakeEverything
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| posted on 16/1/11 at 03:50 PM |
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I hear your Pain! Ive been sooo frustrated with the weather and not being able to get more than a couple of jubilee clips on hoses done. Although in
a garage, its easier when the car is outside to get a good run at jobs.
With the misfire, i would spend some money on a decent service. Plugs, Leads, Distributor rotor arm, filters (incl fuel filter) and maybe send the
carbs away for a cleanup / refurb. Whilst the carbs are away, reset the static timing to TDC on the engine, and check the rocker arm valve
clearances.
If youve still got a misfire after all that, then id be surprised.
Plugs - £30
Leads - £15
Rotor - £10
Air Filters - £15
Oil Filter - £8
Oil - £40
Coolant - £25
Carb Refurb - £100
Feeler Gauge - £5
All in all, to reset the car as it should be for fuel and ignition (with a service) £250 odd. I never include time in the costs because its a hobby
for most of us. Time for all this would be about two weeks, depending on turnaround of carbs.
I had my carb cleaned on my old MG Midget, and it was a totally different car afterwards. Highly recommended, along with injector cleaning for those
with EFI.
Just my opinion of course, but thats what i would do. The water leak should be a simple fix. Just clean the existing water up, try and find the leak
and repair. ITs unlikely that its the block or casings if stored in a garage unless its a particularly cold garage and could have frozen.
Kindest Regards,
Richard.
...You can make it foolProof, but youll never make it Idiot Proof!...
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wilkingj
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| posted on 16/1/11 at 03:58 PM |
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Start the car at night with the bonnet off... (obviously not whilst driving it!)
ie in the garage then turn off the lights!
Then replicate the misfire and look around the engine especially the spark plug leads dizzy and coil area... You may be able to see the problem in the
dark. Oh... and DONT stick your fingers in the engine bay in the dark... you could lose a few bits!
Also did you build the car / engine?
It shouldnt be too hard to sort, as said above Kit carsa re usually a lot easier than a commercially built one.
Dont get dieheartened, you have many friends on here and they are a great resource to help solve you problems.
DONT give up...
1. The point of a journey is not to arrive.
2. Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
Best Regards
Geoff
http://www.v8viento.co.uk
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rpm
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 posted on 16/1/11 at 03:58 PM |
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Don't give up hope, it will come right in the end, 3 years ago i bought the spitfire as a quick to finish project, as soon as i got it home i
realised i'd made a mistake and everything would have to be done from scratch as the bodywork 'done by a proffessional' was full of
filler, most of the parts supplied didn't fit etc etc, this time last year when it was time to get the 'low mileage i got it from a mates
car' engine to run i found it was knackered and needed a full rebuild. Anyway the point is the cars been on the road for 9 months now and
although it's still an ongoing project it is gradually becoming the car i wanted., so if you keep chipping away at the problems and keep the
vision of summer day drives it will turn out right in the end
expert
ex= a has been
spurt= a drip under pressure
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jacko
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| posted on 16/1/11 at 04:14 PM |
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Just a thought what cam do you have and is it timed up right have you a adjustable pulley on the cam
has the engine ever run without a miss fire ?
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AdrianH
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| posted on 16/1/11 at 04:37 PM |
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Chris;
Just thinking about it to myself. The car was a runner had no issues you had some after about 70 miles driving it, so look for something
failing/coming loose.
Carb set-up/cams/timing etc I would not consider unless a very last resort.
Look at every problem ion it's own merit. you are loosing fuel on the forecourt, loose jubilee clip etc, quite possible it could be causing a
fuelling problem, letting air into the line and lack of fuel into the carbs bowls when the engine is needing it under load rather then tick over. So
to me squashed fuel lines loose connections or perished rubber lines, on carbs it is not a high pressure line and I do not know if the car has a push
fuel pump at the tank or a pull one at the engine?
On the water, as suggested look for any hoses off loose fastenings or as suggested replace the pump. If water comes out of the small hole generally
means the bearing seal has gone.
Saw the car at Newark under it's previous owner and very nice it looked as well.
Adrian
Why do I have to make the tools to finish the job? More time then money.
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HAL 1
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| posted on 16/1/11 at 04:38 PM |
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I had a very bad time with a pinto problem, misfire etc, did all the right things until one day i noticed that there was movement in the distributor
shaft, by sheer coincidence i'd managed to set the points at a mean average but there was so much play it went haywire when i put any pressure
on the engine, finished up with new dizzy, transformed and sorted, that's with a points system of course but could be worth checking
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MakeEverything
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| posted on 16/1/11 at 05:04 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by HAL 1
I had a very bad time with a pinto problem, misfire etc, did all the right things until one day i noticed that there was movement in the distributor
shaft, by sheer coincidence i'd managed to set the points at a mean average but there was so much play it went haywire when i put any pressure
on the engine, finished up with new dizzy, transformed and sorted, that's with a points system of course but could be worth checking
Fair point actually, my old dutton needed a new distributor (got a used one as a bit of a gamble) and it sorted the misfire. Id sold it to a mate at
this point and it worked so well he's kept it.
Kindest Regards,
Richard.
...You can make it foolProof, but youll never make it Idiot Proof!...
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richard
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| posted on 16/1/11 at 05:12 PM |
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i second all of the above, but just to add that the thrill and enjoyment you get out of driving these cars and the added achievement of sorting out
the these issues will soon put the grin back on your face when sorted.
Start at the begining and work the problems through, but assume nothing, suffered a intermittant fuel problem myself on pinto that had me in the
duldrums after ruined two track days and was not spotted on rolling road sesssion inbetween.
When it went wrong after the second track day i ripped the twin 40s off and still did the same on the original twin choke.
Bloody blocked fuel filter between the tank and pump that only affected the car after many seconds of heavy right foot as the fuel bowl emptied.
Rich.
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austin man
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| posted on 16/1/11 at 05:50 PM |
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if its a fresh build ie new chasis etc I would check the fuel filter as they are renown for picking up crap from the new tanks ie tiny parts of
alluminium alternatively does the tank have a breather. This can aslo give aspects of a missfire
Life is like a bowl of fruit, funny how all the weird looking ones are left alone
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jacko
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| posted on 16/1/11 at 06:41 PM |
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How about tappets been to tight
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chrisxr2
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| posted on 16/1/11 at 07:22 PM |
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thanks all
Thanks all, have recently changed, all the plugs leads, dizzy rotor arm, and cleaned and cleaned and cleaned the fuel filter which was not blocked,
thankks for all the advice, will get it sorted just be nice to have the weather to give it a good coiple of days attention. Car had no issues in the
previous 7000 miles and the guy i bought it of seemed a genuine guy so just a lot of little bits of bad luck i hope.
Life moves pretty fast, if you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.
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RK
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| posted on 16/1/11 at 11:28 PM |
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Chris, I wish I could me more encouraging. I can completely relate to your issues, and won't bore you with mine (would take too long to
explain). Get somebody over to help out.
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stevebubs
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| posted on 16/1/11 at 11:36 PM |
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Oddest thing I had was years about 20 years ago. Short rubber fuel line on the bottom of my Nova perished and my tank emptied at a rate of Knotts. AA
man came out and sorted it at the side of the road. For the next 2 weeks, the car would randomly cut out, normally at the most inconvenient of times
(pulling away). Each time, car would restart after a few minutes. Got the car checked out and it was eventually traced down to the replacement hose
being a little bit too long - after a while, it would kink and block fuel flow to the engine. Car would only restart once the kink had relaxed...
1 cm cut out off the end of the hose sorted it...
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 18/1/11 at 09:58 PM |
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As a radio dj said once:
"Why do people who work on their own cars always have something wrong with them?"
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