nick205
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| posted on 25/4/11 at 08:21 PM |
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MEV Atomic + 600cc bike motor?
Been looking at the MEV Atomic and wondering if I could build myself something in the same vein; single seat next to a bike engine, minimal weight
etc.
MEV spec the R1 motor for the Atomic with 150bhp and 330kg or somehwere around 450bhp/tonne.
Knowing next to zip about bike engines how feasible would it be to use a smaller engine - say 600cc (ZX6R?)?
Are the gearboxes different/weaker?
Is the gearing right/wrong for a BEC?
Are they cheaper to source?
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StevieB
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| posted on 25/4/11 at 08:25 PM |
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Jedi single seaters use a CBR600 in some models, so should be possible (though I'd say the Jedi is a fair bit lighter than the Atomic and, being
chain drive, the final drive ratio is tunable).
A good, late 600 is probably not far short of an early litre engine in erms of cost, so it's probably not as worth it as you'd think.
600's make good power (100bhp ish) but it's the gearbox strength that would be my worry.
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Kwik
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| posted on 25/4/11 at 08:59 PM |
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have a look at the dp1 (someones gunna say it so it might aswell be me) as he has 2 cars with this layout and its 4wd.
if you do design something similar, the only reasoning i see of having it like this is to have 4wd, otherwise you may aswell save weight and have a
better weight distribution and stick the engine behind the seat.
http://www.dpcars.net/dp1/index.htm
[Edited on 25/4/11 by Kwik]
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nick205
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| posted on 25/4/11 at 09:30 PM |
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kwik - A good point about using a more common mid engine layout, I'm just quite taken by the approach of balancing engine weight with driver
weight side by side.
I'd forgotten about the DP1 - a fantastic piece of development, but way beyond the scope of my garage skills and budget
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Kwik
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| posted on 25/4/11 at 09:32 PM |
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but if your going RWD you want weight at the back anyway, and side to side weight balence would be equal as everythings in the middle.
i think a locost dp1 style 4wd thing would dominate hillclimbs in the 600cc class...
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smart51
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| posted on 27/4/11 at 02:21 PM |
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newer 600s make about 125 BHP. Older 900s like the blade made 135 - 140. They don't sound far off. Watch out though. 600s don't make
much torque. They make big power through revving even higher than a 1000cc bike. It is possible to use a 600 but you need to keep the weight right
down. 350kg would be about the max. You've got to watch for noise too as IVA noise is measured at 3/4 of peak power RPM so they'll be
noisier than a 1000.
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scootz
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| posted on 27/4/11 at 03:37 PM |
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On the road???
Remember, you'll have to absolutely rev the knackers off of it to keep in the 'zone' and I'd imagine that would get a little
tiresome after a while.
If, however, you go banzai every time you jump in your toy-car, then crack on! 
It's Evolution Baby!
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SPYDER
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| posted on 29/4/11 at 08:47 PM |
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I'd go for a late GSXR 750 motor. 150 hp and a gazillion revs. Titanium rods as standard IIRC.
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scootz
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| posted on 30/4/11 at 07:55 AM |
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I'm pretty sure it was just the valves that were Ti.
It's Evolution Baby!
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