geordielad
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| posted on 16/11/11 at 08:18 PM |
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what do you consider locost
the reason i ask is i am building a triumph spitfire
its a complete body off restoration with a few mods ( well lots of mods)
from the outside it going to look standard apart from 15" wheels
spec
2.0 zetec with zx9r carbs ( will eventually be injected)
mt75 gearbox
scooby diff
mx5 rear uprights with custom wishbones coilovers (getting rid of transverse leaf spring)
mx5 rear disc brakes
mx5 front hubs
clio cup 185mm front discs with brembo 4 pots
15" rh cup alloys
rover 25 leather seats with custom subframes
wallnut dash
everything retrimed with black leather
registered 1972 so free road tax
all the parts have been sourced & build is going to start after christmas ( got to finish house or wife will castrate me)
plan is to finish it by april 2013 the travell around europe
does this qualify as a locost build
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jacko
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| posted on 16/11/11 at 08:36 PM |
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To me LOCOST on this forum is a home built 7 type car
i think of your car more like a retro rider car like on Retro Riders forum
That's only my opinion
Jacko
http://retrorides.proboards.com/index.cgi
[Edited on 16/11/11 by jacko]
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ReMan
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| posted on 16/11/11 at 08:43 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by jacko
To me LOCOST on this forum is a home built 7 type car
i think of your car more like a retro rider car like on Retro Riders forum
That's only my opinion
Jacko
http://retrorides.proboards.com/index.cgi
[Edited on 16/11/11 by jacko]
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www.plusnine.co.uk
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T66
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| posted on 16/11/11 at 08:50 PM |
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The Non Locoster debate came out recently - I dont know what the problem is.....
The home car building game is constantly evolving, as people build and experiment. This is a really good site, with lots of answers.
For me its better off having loads of subscribers, who can generally come up with a quick answer, than having to wait four days for an answer.
However I hear where your coming from.. - Its just the sites popularity growing imho
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DixieTheKid
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| posted on 16/11/11 at 08:52 PM |
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A locost in my opinion is a 7 style car as cheap as you can possibly build it to you own spec. The only reason i say this is because not all of us
have all of the skills to build from scratch.
COS IT'S Worth IT
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mrwibble
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| posted on 16/11/11 at 08:53 PM |
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locost is relative. builder is the only important thing to me, don't let them put you off!
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deltron63
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| posted on 16/11/11 at 08:54 PM |
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Blast....... looks like I've got to go to retrorides.
Bye All 
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MakeEverything
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| posted on 16/11/11 at 08:56 PM |
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LOCUST is what symbolises a cheaper end '7' type for me. Locost, just means either DIY or to a budget. For example, i like to make most
of the things i need as best i can, improvising where possible. Buying a kit and assempling it or getting someone else to do it isnt really in the
spirit of kit car building IMO.
Kindest Regards,
Richard.
...You can make it foolProof, but youll never make it Idiot Proof!...
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PeterV
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| posted on 16/11/11 at 08:56 PM |
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It does in my book.
Not a lot of difference between a MX5 Ferrari Look alike, Sierra Cobra look alike or Zetec Spitfire look alike.
Penny wise may spend more on my build than you will and I bet there are some 7's that have a load more invested in them.
IMHO Its about the amateur build, knowledge share and mad mad fun 
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DixieTheKid
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| posted on 16/11/11 at 09:05 PM |
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To be honest who gives a sh*t! Its a great forum, with great people and masses of knowledge. AND ITS FREE! Thats good enough for me.
COS IT'S Worth IT
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Bare
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| posted on 16/11/11 at 09:14 PM |
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As above a Locust is a DIY variant on a the lotus 7 of mid late 60's
IMO a frankenstein Spitfire is not, by any stretch.
Curiously, why are you going that route? A 'restored' Spit has some eventual resale value probably even a significant one.
A Mods 'special' won't even approximate the price of it's parts.
If you want to "tour" buy an MX 5. A Better machine, from the outset, than the 'altered' spit could ever be.
As bonus SWMBO won't feel the need to chase you with a cleaver :-).
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fazerruss
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| posted on 16/11/11 at 09:21 PM |
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If this site was just for Locost 7 style cars then why is it advertised in ppc mag which has alsorts in it. locost was a name given by Ron Champion to
a 7 style scratch built car but this site in my opinion is for anything with an engine in or engineered and built or modified by the owner so making
it low cost as opposed to paying someone to build it for you.
Ive now started getting ppc instead of kit car mags because Im bored of just looking at kit cars.
So stay mate and keep involved.
Russ
[Edited on 16/11/11 by fazerruss]
"if assholes could fly this place would be an airport"
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owelly
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| posted on 16/11/11 at 09:22 PM |
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I've never built a Locost or even owned a se7en. I suppose I'd better go and find somewhere else to loiter...
Incidentally, with all those mods, the Spitfire won't be tax free anymore once it's been registered correctly....
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk
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jacko
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| posted on 16/11/11 at 09:22 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by jacko
To me LOCOST on this forum is a home built 7 type car
i think of your car more like a retro rider car like on Retro Riders forum
That's only my opinion
Jacko
http://retrorides.proboards.com/index.cgi
[Edited on 16/11/11 by jacko]
Sorry if i have miss led you as others have said this is a great forum for all cars 7 type or tin top standard or modified
and there is a lot of skilled people on here with lots of knowledge
Jacko
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iank
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| posted on 16/11/11 at 09:25 PM |
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So all the people on the 3 wheeler, mid engine sections aren't welcome?
As I mentioned the other day the boss had a post years ago saying (and I'm paraphrasing since the post is gone now) pretty much that anyone
building a car was welcome.
A true locost only includes builds from the Ron Champion version of the book, so following the 'only a locost 7 route' we should not allow
anyone with an MK, MNR, Haynes Roadster etc join in?
The great thing about this forum is anyone who is building something interesting is welcome...
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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D Beddows
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| posted on 16/11/11 at 09:26 PM |
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no it's not a 'Locost' but if your building something interesting from a variety of old car parts who cares! A. at least
you're actually building something and B. it's definitely in the spirit of building an original Locost so you have as much right to be
here as pretty much any of the rest of us
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jacko
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| posted on 16/11/11 at 09:36 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by iank
So all the people on the 3 wheeler, mid engine sections aren't welcome?
As I mentioned the other day the boss had a post years ago saying (and I'm paraphrasing since the post is gone now) pretty much that anyone
building a car was welcome.
A true locost only includes builds from the Ron Champion version of the book, so following the 'only a locost 7 route' we should not allow
anyone with an MK, MNR, Haynes Roadster etc join in?
The great thing about this forum is anyone who is building something interesting is welcome...
Who said no one was welcome ? i have not found that, The question at the top of the page was what do you consider as locost i always thought it came
from the book
Ron Champion build a locost for £250
or am i wrong ?
Jacko
[Edited on 16/11/11 by jacko]
[Edited on 16/11/11 by jacko]
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jacko
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| posted on 16/11/11 at 09:43 PM |
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By the way my car is NOT a locost its a MK indy with a chassis i bought 
so if we are going to what some of you are saying there will be lots leaving
NOT ME im here for ever
and i hope you all will too
Jacko
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russbost
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| posted on 16/11/11 at 09:49 PM |
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Some very strange responses amongst these There also seems to be some confusion over Locost & Locust; for the record, Locost referred to the Ron
Champion build & Locust refers to a wood framed 7 style car no longer made, however, surely locost (without the capital "L" ) is just
that, anything which doesn't cost a fortune to build?
Is the Forum changing & suddenly making probably around 25% of its membership unwelcome???
I have always taken this to be an engineering forum! Yes, look at the logo & it's not hard to see where the general leanings of the forum
are going to be, but it's supposed to welcome anyone & everyone with great knowledge or very little, those of us with greater knowledge
helping out those with less.
Personally I've had loads of off topic Q's about household plumbing, electronics, computing etc. answered & have also been able to
answer many car, engine & engineering Q's where my knowledge lies.
I love the sound of the Spit as described, sounds like it should make a real Q car, & providing the mods don't involve modding the chassis
(which I'm sure with care they won't  ) then I can't see why it shoud affect its tax free status.
Good luck with it & enjoy your build!
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matt_gsxr
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| posted on 16/11/11 at 09:59 PM |
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Locostbuilder to me is about the mentality.
Tolerant of people going their own route.
Supportive of ideas that save a few quid.
Encouraging other people to DIY rather than just laying out cash.
I know this might not come across from all contributors, but mostly I like to think that they mean well
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iank
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| posted on 16/11/11 at 10:05 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by jacko
quote:
Originally posted by iank
So all the people on the 3 wheeler, mid engine sections aren't welcome?
As I mentioned the other day the boss had a post years ago saying (and I'm paraphrasing since the post is gone now) pretty much that anyone
building a car was welcome.
A true locost only includes builds from the Ron Champion version of the book, so following the 'only a locost 7 route' we should not allow
anyone with an MK, MNR, Haynes Roadster etc join in?
The great thing about this forum is anyone who is building something interesting is welcome...
Who said no one was welcome ? i have not found that, The question at the top of the page was what do you consider as locost i always thought it came
from the book
Ron Champion build a locost for £250
or am i wrong ?
Jacko
[Edited on 16/11/11 by jacko]
[Edited on 16/11/11 by jacko]
Well that's the great thing about the internet, I read the tone of your first post as "no you're not building a locost, so bugger
off to a retrorides" as, by the look of things did a few others
p.s. I know you're building an MK, which is where line 3 came from
Locostbuilders is now much more than Ron's book and even 7's though that's still the most popular demographic.
I'll get back in my box now especially as I'm still planning something very small L locost myself.
[Edited on 16/11/11 by iank]
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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T66
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| posted on 16/11/11 at 10:20 PM |
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The Locost site is also good for the odd debate as well......
None of the other sites I get on, can answer questions like this one can - Lets face it why go anywhere else, Plumbing, televisions,tax returns,
babies, Land Rovers, it does a bit of everything.
And we dont fall out often either -
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ReMan
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| posted on 16/11/11 at 10:52 PM |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locost
So it must be true
The OP's question was not "Am I welcome here?"
www.plusnine.co.uk
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owelly
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| posted on 16/11/11 at 11:04 PM |
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I love the sound of the Spit as described, sounds like it should make a real Q car, & providing the mods don't involve modding the chassis
(which I'm sure with care they won't ) then I can't see why it shoud affect its tax free status.
Even if the 'shell remains unmodified, it still loses enough points to need declaring which would lose the tax free status.
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk
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spiderman
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| posted on 17/11/11 at 01:17 AM |
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quote:
I love the sound of the Spit as described, sounds like it should make a real Q car, & providing the mods don't involve modding the chassis
(which I'm sure with care they won't ) then I can't see why it shoud affect its tax free status.
Tax free status goes on a points system and engine, drive train and suspension all count towards it so replacing them would probably render it not tax
free. Can't remember how many points you have to a have for tax free but with only the chassis as the original design I do believe that it would
not be enough.
"geordielad" I have some interesting photos in my photo archive of some IRS mods others have done on the Triumph chassis if you want to
take a look. Send me a u2u if you want any info on the sites I got them from.
Spider
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