jjams82
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| posted on 12/7/20 at 10:41 AM |
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Noob here considering SSC Stylus engine upgrade options...
Hello folks. New kit car owner, and new forum member here.
There's a lot of sub-forums here, I hope I hit the mark close enough.
I've a couple friends on here already, and was pointed in this direction by the one who mentioned "Fisher Fury" to me when we first
met, making simple car chat in Grenoble (I think) airport. He planted that seed, until it grew and grew, and eventually he's partaking in the
longest most stressful nearly-fishtailed-the-gf's-fabia-into-motorway type series of calamities. All set off by my complete idiocy and greater
concentration on the beautiful thing I now own that's on a trailer in front of me, than the road. Long story. I guess you reap what you sow eh,
thanks again Adi. 
I must admit this is partly just a "hey guys, what's up in this forum? Nice to meet y'all" type post, but I thought I'd
make it useful as well.
I've a 1700 crossflow with a single webber and the skinny little 4 branch manifold from whatever, but otherwise stock. It's a hoot, a
giggle, but as it was such a complete garage queen for the last 12 years, only 800 miles since SVA, it isn't running quite as it should.
That's one for another day though. Perhaps today actually.
My main actual question is.....
When I want nearly twice the power (already do, but going to enjoy it a while first) I know the easy simple noob-friendly solution answer will be
"zetec on webers*". There's got to be a million documented cases of these going into kit cars, but I can't seem to find a
concise this-is-how-I-did-it type posts about the place, or many details of what stays and what goes, what you need from a donor and what you
don't.
I want it to remain as "analog" as possible. Computers begone! I know you can make me more efficient, more powerful, more driveable, but I
want to learn carbs, and I don't hop in the Stylus to have a modern experience!!
If anyone knows a nice simple resource for this swap, I'd be very grateful if you popped it up here for me. 
Many thanks for reading this far, and thanks in advance for any essential reading type resources / books / etc you may throw my way.
Jjams82 (Jon)
*ps... Every single zetec in a kit car is on webers, I'm going to have a go at some bike carbs, just for the fun of it, and so as to not have
exactly the same setup as 90% of the sevens/kit zetecs out there. Plus, bike carbs genuinely do look like a decent option, assuming I can get hold of
the right ones.
[Edited on 12/7/20 by jjams82]
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big_wasa
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| posted on 12/7/20 at 01:35 PM |
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What’s the supply of Zetec’s like around your way ?
Due to it now being the oval racers engine of choice and me living with in 50 miles of half a dozen well known tracks, supply is thin on the ground.
 I love a Zetec but they are about done.
St170’s are a touch easier to find. Mx5’s are looking a good bet. Jag v6 makes a nice noise. Duratec’s both mx5 / Ford.
Don’t forget the old ford gearbox may be a little tired and may not like a huge boost in torque.
The options are endless hence few specific how too’s.
[Edited on 12/7/20 by big_wasa]
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Schrodinger
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| posted on 12/7/20 at 05:20 PM |
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If you go the Zetec route you will still have to use a "computer" for the spark at least even if you still stick with carbs.
You haven't said what gearbox you have in your Stylus but I would suggest you will need a type 9 box if that's not what you have, some
people have used the box from a RX8 but the Stylus tunnel would need to be modified and take up some of the space near you feet/pedals.
I have Stylus with a Zetec on throttle bodies if I can be of any assistance just shout, you might also like to try the Club Stylus website
http://www.clubstylus.be/forum/index.php
Keith
Aviemore
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adithorp
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| posted on 12/7/20 at 06:51 PM |
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Welcome jjams. Sorry in advance to everyone else for getting him into this. As for the fish-tailing trailer... Didn't see it; never happened.
The brown stain in my pants didn't happen either. 
It's got a type9 in it.
"A witty saying proves nothing" Voltaire
http://jpsc.org.uk/forum/
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big_wasa
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| posted on 12/7/20 at 08:38 PM |
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Again the N7 mx5 box is a better bet than an Rx8 box for size and around 3lg lighter as well.
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jjams82
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| posted on 13/7/20 at 08:25 PM |
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Thanks folks! First off, I apologise - yep, it's a type 9 gearbox. Imagine the idiocy of someone asking what will bolt straight up to the
gearbox and not mentioning the gearbox...
That's the sort of person who would get two sidewall slash flats in their GF's car, hundreds of miles from home, because he was too busy
admiring the beautiful machine on his kit car expert mates trailer in front of him.
Then discover that she has a perfect full sized spare, but doesn't have a wheel brace, and despite a kind geordie couple getting a wheel brace
to him in 5 min, no amount of DIY plugs from the wrecked tyres and tins of tyre-weld will sort out a couple 15mm-ish long sidewall slash. That sort of
idiot would then have to drive his brand new stylus (which he'd never even sat in because expert mate was making the decision while I was social
distancing as isolating GF living in the house) and put his GF's car on his mates trailer which was very much a bike engine Fury type trailer,
not a 1200kg lardy Fabia.
This idiot would not remotely fit in the styluys as set up for the previous owner, but worse than that, would witness the biggest 65+mph trailer fish
tail possible without actualy flipping the trailer, and maybe the tow car.
On a completely unrelated note - Hi Adi! Thanks for the link, more resources, sweet.
I'll get in on that JPSC club forum too, ta.
An MX5 unit would be rather fun now that I realise it would go in with the gearbox. I loved the box (and motor) in my mk1, 5 ish years back. Lovely
little thing. I also recall something about turbocharging... I may be losing my mind again though. I rather like how I have a simple vertical gear
stick thuogh, so I'd have to check about where the MX5 one would fit. I'd imagine being desisgned RWD it'd be a similar spot.
Zetecs, I suspect, are a dime a dozen 'round here, no oval tracks I know of anywhere close, plenty of crashed or rusty old focuses (foci?) sat
in scrapyards.
The st170 does have some appeal if it'd bolt up to the box without mods, but then I wouldn't end up with the lovely MX5 'box.
Food for thought, many thanks, denizens locostbuilder forum.
[Edited on 13/7/20 by jjams82]
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big_wasa
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| posted on 13/7/20 at 09:40 PM |
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You can buy an adapter to bolt up the mk3 mx5 box to the Zetec just like an Rx8 except nicer quality 
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jjams82
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| posted on 14/7/20 at 12:16 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by big_wasa
You can buy an adapter to bolt up the mk3 mx5 box to the Zetec just like an Rx8 except nicer quality
Cool! But I think I'd rather just have the whole MX5 package
No clutch faff, just ask for an MX5 clutch... MASSIVE aftermarket scene for go-fast bits and bobs (like turbos, headers, etc etc) and until the turbo
day came, a 1600 MX5 motor on 4x bike carbs would be a wonderful power/chassis combo for the car, and the bike carbs giving me something to tinker
with.
Plus everyone and their dog has a zetec on webers. I know mx5 motors in these things aren't exactly rare, but i'd be nice to have that
revvy little thing back in my life. I miss that car. Full throttle thrashing it everywhere, can't do that in my (being prepped for sale to pay
for the stylus) S2000. Death would follow soon after. Obviously I'd LOVE to stick the S2k motor and box in there, but it's worth rather a
bit more with an engine!!
I think that's my decision made. MX5 motor and box.
Adi, you were so right all this time
[Edited on 14/7/20 by jjams82]
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jjams82
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| posted on 3/5/22 at 08:25 AM |
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Just to update..
MX5 1.8 from Adi's old log store MX5
Mx5 box from above rust bucket (literally)
R1 Carbs
Bogg Bros manifold (beautiful but just realised was built with ports upside down on the base plate - to be returned asap)
Nodiz (now in Gen X form apparently) with zetec loom and to be given TPS via R1 carbs
Zetec crank sensor and coil pack
Jumpers for goalposts, and a pocket full of dreams
No clue but a reasonable capacity for educated guesses
All good so far, slowly getting there.
Appreciate your help in choosing it...
And a certain member (huhhuhuhhhh, member...) for excavating his log overgrown store in the morning then hoiking the motor with me in the evening - He
deserves a little thanks too
Righty ho... After a quick call we've deduced the mk1 1.8 and mk2 1.8 manifold bolt spacing whatnots or something aren't the same, so off we
go to get some pics and email the Boggs.
Cheerio for now and ta folks,
J Jams.
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jjams82
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| posted on 3/5/22 at 08:38 AM |
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One question... How on earth does one message a member on here? Can't seem to find it anywhere.
Seems there's a stylus builder/driver very near me on the loocost map. Wouldn't mind popping him a PM to say hello.
ta
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adithorp
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| posted on 3/5/22 at 12:18 PM |
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For private messages click"U2U" too left of the page under the banner.
"A witty saying proves nothing" Voltaire
http://jpsc.org.uk/forum/
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number-1
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| posted on 3/5/22 at 02:21 PM |
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Theres a facebook page with loads of people that have done the engine upgrade with a type 9 box
https://www.facebook.com/groups/391544421803349/about/
Also check out Tony's blog. He had a Fisher fury and now has an SSC Stylus and has swapped the zetec for a duratec
https://blatterbeast.blogspot.com/
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jjams82
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| posted on 4/5/22 at 08:21 AM |
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^Ahhhh dam handy, ta. Some reading for later, much appreciated.
And Adi - see, THE:FONT strikes again. Not a dumb nickname at all.
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jjams82
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| posted on 4/5/22 at 08:59 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by number-1Also check out Tony's blog. He had a Fisher fury and now has an SSC Stylus and has swapped the zetec
for a duratec
https://blatterbeast.blogspot.com/
Huh... Blue fury, orange and black bits... The same £25 Chinese eBay mirrors as me...
How on earth did he get those damned things to fit at the right angles to see backwards?!?!?!?!?! Digging needed. Later. Probably now.
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number-1
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| posted on 4/5/22 at 03:21 PM |
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Blue fury? The blue car is an SSC Stylus. He had a yellow Fury but crashed it
The mirrors are bad at best. Roof down and shoulder checks worked for me better
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jjams82
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| posted on 5/5/22 at 04:57 AM |
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^Doh... I get fury and stylus mixed up every so often. And yep - the mirrors are a balllache with mounting and the angles. Daft things. I'm
considering just pitting a mirror on a stick there. when ya have a neck, as you say, they're kinda pointless.
The blue stylus in it's original form is remarkably similar to mine when I bought it. Mine's flat blue but the stripe and other little bits
and bobs. I'm slowly adding black and orange hilights too.
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Fury1630
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| posted on 6/6/24 at 08:00 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by jjams82
^Doh... I get fury and stylus mixed up every so often. And yep - the mirrors are a balllache with mounting and the angles. Daft things. I'm
considering just pitting a mirror on a stick there. when ya have a neck, as you say, they're kinda pointless.
The blue stylus in it's original form is remarkably similar to mine when I bought it. Mine's flat blue but the stripe and other little bits
and bobs. I'm slowly adding black and orange hilights too.
Just noticed this. I am that Tony with the dead Fury & the Stylus - but I swapped a silvertop Zetec for a blacktop, not a Duratec, but
anyway......
The Stylus is just back from another 1,200 mile road trip, no issues, no breakdowns, if I can help, you can always get in touch through the Blog,
I'm in Camberley.
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