Marcus
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| posted on 30/12/05 at 08:24 PM |
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Worried of Doncaster
I'm getting worried.
What's the problem? - I hear you ask.
Well it's this forum. I may be wrong, and feel free to shoot me down, BUT it's going the way of a number of other forums and turning in to
a "Where can I buy 'X'" rather than "how do I make 'X'"
Perhaps it's me getting old, but people are getting too impatient, wanting stuff NOW, rather than thinking about it and building it.
Anyway, what do you think?
Marcus
Marcus
Because kits are for girls!!
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mandbsheldon
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| posted on 30/12/05 at 08:45 PM |
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graememk
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| posted on 30/12/05 at 08:46 PM |
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grumpy old man
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steve_gus
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| posted on 30/12/05 at 08:50 PM |
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its always been a mix......
Only 50% of people on here build a 'bits of metal' locost - many buy partial kits such as MK or luego........ thats buying summat in isnt
it?
If you take the hard route for everything, it adds time, and lessens the chances of finishing the car in a decent time, if at all!
try making grp bits......... its much better to buy them!
atb
steve
http://www.locostbuilder.co.uk
Just knock off the 's'!
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derf
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| posted on 30/12/05 at 08:50 PM |
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It's not really due to a lack of imagination orindependant thinking on peoples part, it's more that the group as a whole has come up with
alot of good ideas resulting in a large knowledge base thats already there. I would personally like to copy someone elses good idea that I know has
been road tested than try and design my own solution.
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mandbsheldon
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| posted on 30/12/05 at 08:52 PM |
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Nice Wheels by the way.
"How do you make them then?"
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mandbsheldon
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| posted on 30/12/05 at 08:56 PM |
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"It's not really due to a lack of imagination orindependant thinking on peoples part, it's more that the group as a whole has come
up with alot of good ideas resulting in a large knowledge base thats already there. I would personally like to copy someone elses good idea that I
know has been road tested than try and design my own solution".
More like lack of skill!
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derf
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| posted on 30/12/05 at 09:03 PM |
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actually it's quite funny, I was looking at the wheels you have on your locost, which are very similar to those on my focus, now i started
thinking about having them re-drilled to fit the bolt pattern of my locost, just so I can copy your good idea.
It's just knowledge base, it's already there, so why re-invent the wheel? Although I do agree, someone once tried to re-invent the wheel
and came up with a tank, so some inovation is good, but it should be strongly grounded on prven theory and practices.
Otherwise there wuld be a sudden jump in the number of aluminum framed locosts that miraculously break in half at the first sign of stress.
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JoelP
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| posted on 30/12/05 at 09:24 PM |
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the reality is that car building is now a hobby for the rich as well as the skilled. Some bastards might have both in abundance, the rest of us just
juggle the two.
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smart51
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| posted on 30/12/05 at 09:32 PM |
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I've just built a heater. That is after I bout one that was useless, took off the fan, got a bigger matrix off eBay and made a box out of sheet
aly to fit it in.
I would rather but bits than make them as I want the car on the road now. Some people prefer / have the skills / tools / workshop to make things.
Assembling a car for the first time was making things enough, especially as I had to make a few brackets here and there. Next time (God forbid)
I'll probably take my time a bit more and make more of it myself. for me, building a car was 70% - 30% about driving it. Assembling the kit
was enough for now.
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Genesis
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| posted on 30/12/05 at 10:24 PM |
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That's such a narrow viewed opinion. Even the best manufacturer's outsource... does that make them any less a manufacturer? IMO no it
doesn't - I merely depends on where you want to draw the line of manufacture yourself, what skill base you have, resources available and
ultimately how much money you can throw at something? To totally make your own & type car would cost thousands into the 5 figure variety. Lathe,
Milling Machine, Welder - GRP bucks etc etc...
Middle of the road is realistically buy a chassis, bodywork and ancillaries then build. It's not so straight forward is it? For the hardcore
they manufacture their own chassis and buy/source GRP for the XXX hardcore chassis and GRP self manufacture.
Horses for courses you grumpy old git
Going fishin'
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steve m
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| posted on 31/12/05 at 12:48 AM |
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Marcus
I agree with you, and as youve read some of my posts , we do share the same views
regards
steve
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DEAN C.
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| posted on 31/12/05 at 02:25 AM |
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NOT SO WORRIED FROM DONCASTER
There will always be a varying blend of time spent versus money spent,and as we are all in different situtions and our degrees of skill,knowledge and
facilities vary so will the way that everyone builds their cars.
If some people did not buy most of their parts and build with their own touches they would probably never finish a car,that would be a shame.
Perhaps we should forget ideals sometimes and accept that we all do things differently.
I for one would be peeved if someone built a car that looked and drove identical to mine as although I have bought a standard chassis I have built
quite a lot myself using running gear that at the time was a little different, with a few of my own engineering touches and alterations to the
standard MK chassis along the way.
Thus building what I hope will eventually be a finely honed and well balanced track car.
The pleasure for me now is to set the car up for better handling and use of power,not an easy task as we all know.
I for one think that if we all did the same thing to the book ,half of the cars would look poorly finished but by everyone building cars to their own
ability or time available the standards of cars will rise,surely not a bad thing.
From another old git,Dean.......
[Edited on 31/12/05 by DEAN C.]
Once I've finished a project why do I start another?
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Alan B
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| posted on 31/12/05 at 03:39 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Genesis
.......for the XXX hardcore chassis and GRP self manufacture.........
Call me XXX hardcore then (yeah, baby).....
I agree with Marcus......but each to their own I guess.....I have no choice with my build, I can't wave my chequebook at it.....nobody makes my
parts except me...
Now where's that chunk of rubber I'm making my tyres out of...
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derf
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| posted on 31/12/05 at 04:48 AM |
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I wouldnt even call bodywork really hardcore, try building an engine for the car... start with a foam cutout of your block and start casting your own
parts...
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sgraber
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| posted on 31/12/05 at 05:22 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by derf
I wouldnt even call bodywork really hardcore, try building an engine for the car... start with a foam cutout of your block and start casting your own
parts...
AWWW Man
I DARE you to try bodywork.
You have no idea. None. I'm over a year working on my bodywork and it's 10x harder than designing and building a chassis.
Steve Graber
http://www.grabercars.com/
"Quickness through lightness"
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Ian Pearson
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| posted on 31/12/05 at 09:43 AM |
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WORRIED OF DORSET
It seems to me that the prime occupation of a lot of members, is building a reputation, rather than a car.
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Genesis
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| posted on 31/12/05 at 10:17 AM |
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Isn't a difference of opinion wonderful? 
Happy New Year!
Going fishin'
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907
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| posted on 31/12/05 at 11:23 AM |
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Don't we all make what we can, and buy what we would find difficult or time consuming to make ?
I'm a fabricator by trade, but I'm f****d when it comes to machanics, electricals, painting etc.
I get a better finish if I pour paint from a tin, and spread it with a broom than if I spray it.
I wouldn't dream of attemping fibreglass, I can only admire those that do.
I enjoy building, so I build what I can, get help from you lot (thanks) with things I struggle with,
and buy what's left.
ATB
Paul G
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sgraber
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| posted on 31/12/05 at 01:58 PM |
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Paul, I think you said it perfectly.
We are all here because we love building things. We mostly all do what we can to the best of our abilities or our time. Some people either have a lot
of abilities, or the stamina to learn, and others understand their limitations and prefer to entrust the skills of experts for critical assemblies.
But I would say that everyone that puts a wrench to their car in the name of constructing one is to be commended for the effort!
Steve Graber
http://www.grabercars.com/
"Quickness through lightness"
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ray.h.
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| posted on 31/12/05 at 02:15 PM |
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I build what i can and i buy what i can,t build.I think thats what most people seem to do.To build everything you would need a machine shop that would
cost more than the car.Some people have better equipment than others and some have more money.SO WHAT.Do it your own way in your own time and enjoy
it
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Mix
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| posted on 31/12/05 at 02:52 PM |
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In a similar vein, I often feel that the advice given to new bulders to not bother building a chassis etc but to buy the same kit as the respondant
has 'built' is all too prevalent.
I realise that we all have differing abilities and skills but surely we should be encouraging people to build their own if that was their original
intention, not trying to disued them.
Mick
Another grumpy old git
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Alan B
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| posted on 31/12/05 at 03:20 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mix
In a similar vein, I often feel that the advice given to new bulders to not bother building a chassis etc but to buy the same kit as the respondant
has 'built' is all too prevalent.
I realise that we all have differing abilities and skills but surely we should be encouraging people to build their own if that was their original
intention, not trying to disued them.
Mick
Another grumpy old git
Mick,
I agree with that, sure a kit is an option, but it does discourage me when people discourage others from building their own frame. I know everyone is
not capable or inclined, but at least answer all their chassis building questions before suggesting a kit.
Just IMO of course.
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Trev D
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| posted on 31/12/05 at 03:24 PM |
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I agree with Paul all of these cars reflect on what people are good at. They are all a fine achievement once on the road . Happy new year to you all
regards Trev.
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PaulBuz
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| posted on 31/12/05 at 04:00 PM |
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My moto has been throughout my build-
If I CAN make it then I will.
From the chassis down to turned parts & megajolt ignition.
My reason is that my car will be unique.
When the car is finally finished I can stand back & say ,I BUILT that......Not I ASSEMBLED that!
The down side of course is that it takes ages, & I appreciate that many of the kit builders would rather be driving than building the car.
Each to thier own!
Steve said that he thinks that 50% of builders on here are scratch builders.
I would be very suprised if it was this high
ATB
Paul
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