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Energy reclaiming shower tray
jlparsons - 6/2/09 at 09:06 PM

I'm liking the look of this - http://www.shower-save.com/. This one is silly expensive but it looks very easy to build one for next to nowt. Some micro-bore tubing and some teak flooring offcuts from a chandlery and Bob's your Marley. Makes a good deal of sense to my mind, if you work out the flow rate of your shower, multiply by how long you usually spend in there (bloody ages for me) and you have a financial coronary.

Anyone done it or similar?


Simon - 6/2/09 at 09:10 PM

Afaik my shower is heated by nuclear generated electricity, so won't save me diddlysquat in the CO2 stakes, but I agree, it is quite a good idea.

The only downside is, I'll have to put it in the bath - where our shower is

ATB

Simon


smart51 - 6/2/09 at 09:31 PM

what does it do? Pre-heat the water going into your boiler with a heat exchanger in your shower drain?


Simon - 6/2/09 at 09:43 PM

No idea, I didn't read it, but guesswork would say it warms the water from the cold water feed, so you don't use as much hot. Simple heat exchanger in effect. Use a couple of intercoolers Perhaps

ATB

Simon


StevieB - 6/2/09 at 09:55 PM

Yeah, it looks like it preheats the water going into your storage tank - guess the clever bit is getting the flow at the same rate as the shower so the storage tank effectively retains it's level.

It's amazing what you could achieve from researching and installing as many of these energy recovery systems into your house. I thnk the major problem is that the systems are so expensive that it'd take years to see a recovery on the investment and just one house installed with all the gear won't make a blind bit of difference to global co2 output. However, I do believe that there should be much heavier legislation on nstalling these things into big commercial buildings...


cloudy - 6/2/09 at 10:19 PM

No need to regulate the flow, this just sits inline with the tank as normal, will flow whenever hot water is used...


jlparsons - 6/2/09 at 10:36 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Simon
No idea, I didn't read it, but guesswork would say it warms the water from the cold water feed, so you don't use as much hot. Simple heat exchanger in effect. Use a couple of intercoolers Perhaps

ATB

Simon


Yup, that's it. You have the cold water input going through a long microbore copper pipe which is coiled underneath the raised platform in the shower tray, which is slightly deeper than a standard tray and has a slightly raised drain so the water stands and pools before it drains. The feed is then split and goes to both the shower input so you don't use as much hot and also to the hot water tank if you have one. You can get downpipe heat exchangers too though they have far lower surface area and the drainwater is moving through them pretty quick, so I don't think it'll be as efficient. The ideal would be to have both of course, with hot and cold water moving in opposing directions.

As microbore is such a doddle to work with, and as this is such a simple idea, it beats me how they can charge that much for it.


Simon - 6/2/09 at 10:49 PM

Can't see the point in heating water going to hot water tank - has to travel too far. Cold water pipe under shower, next to drain.

Hmmm, maybe after I've swapped engines

ATB

Simon


dhutch - 6/2/09 at 11:02 PM

We have a boat, where although heat is free/abundant from the engine. Potable water is at a large premium. (like we hold 80galls, then its all gone).

I thought of a system where you send the 'bearly grey at all' from the plug hole round and back over you again. Just like a dishwasher. Adding a smattering (scalding) hot water to the blend to keep it warm.

Start it on the standard 'run through and pump it overboard' routine while you wash, then switch over to re-circ mode for that '30minutes of warm shower without emptying the tank' effect.


Proberbly never get around to it.
- But the idea of using grey shower water to preheat the boiler/hw feed sounds spot on to me. And it wouldnt even need a fancy tray. Just a water-water heat exchange and bobs your sisters goldfish.


Daniel


jlparsons - 7/2/09 at 01:19 AM

Nothin wrong with a bit of grey water, but then there's nothing wrong with a bit of salt water either!


dhutch - 7/2/09 at 11:45 AM

quote:
Originally posted by jlparsons
Nothin wrong with a bit of grey water, but then there's nothing wrong with a bit of salt water either!

But I dont think i would like to shower in canal water.
- On clear streach of the trent maybe (and its even slightly warm) but the middle of birmingham or stoke maybe not!


Daniel


jlparsons - 12/2/09 at 06:37 PM

quote:
Originally posted by dhutch
quote:
Originally posted by jlparsons
Nothin wrong with a bit of grey water, but then there's nothing wrong with a bit of salt water either!

But I dont think i would like to shower in canal water.
- On clear streach of the trent maybe (and its even slightly warm) but the middle of birmingham or stoke maybe not!


Daniel


Yeah ok, I'll have to agree with you there